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> "ending factory farming as soon as possible" equals at this moment to "killing by famine a lot of surplus humans as soon as possible". The article is talking

by pg314 9y ago

> "ending factory farming as soon as possible" equals at this moment to "killing by famine a lot of surplus humans as soon as possible". The article is talking about animal factory farming. Eliminating animal factory farming would free up more than enough resources to feed humans directly. The conversion from plant calories to meat calories is not very efficient.

pvaldes 9y ago
I know it, I can read :-), and is not so easy as you thing. Animals in animal factory farming can be feeded with things that neither humans nor plants can/would accept directly. Animal factory farming by-products also are needed to support agriculture. Using human faeces at large scale to fertilize the spoil is not so good idea as using horse, goat, cow or pig faeces (Because human faeces carry more types of human transmisible parasites and more often than faeces in non-human animals). Agriculture without using fertilizers will not provide the same harvests. We have only one planet and the only land available yet to put all this cattle (that is apt to breed cattle and not used yet) are the last sanctuaries of biodiversity. We will need to burn the forests if we want to scalate our solution of "freedom for all cows and pigs". Therefore we must be aware that our shiny plan of liberating resources to feed humans could backfire easily in several parts. There is not a morally-magic solution for our current problems (and we have big problems). Meat generated in lab will need also resources to grow. We talk about chemical resources, lots of water, sterilization material and lots of energy. And currently is just a very expensive way with the main purpose to provide vegans with a exit way to lie to themselves and eat meat that "is not meat, just a nerveless animal tissue thin as a paper".
- everheardofc 9y ago
  >Animals in animal factory farming can be feeded with things that neither humans nor plants can/would accept directly. So can non-factory animal farms. I don't see how factory farming is better in this aspect than other types of animal farms. There is a middle ground between no animal farming and factory farming. >Animal factory farming by-products also are needed to support agriculture. Using human faeces at large scale to fertilize the spoil is not so good idea as using horse, goat, cow or pig faeces (Because human faeces carry more types of human transmisible parasites and more often than faeces in non-human animals). Factory farming has the unfortunate sideeffect of producing too much fertiliser of the wrong kind. The farms have trouble getting rid of their excess waste. http://www.onegreenplanet.org/environment/the-dangers-of-using-waste-from-factory-farms-as-fertilizer/ http://www.onegreenplanet.org/environment/the-dangers-of-usi... >It is not uncommon that a factory farm will produce more waste than can be absorbed into the soil surrounding the facility. Because there is such an excess of excrement, it is often over-applied to fields and the nutrients that cannot be absorbed by the soil run off into local waterways.

by pg314 9y ago

pvaldes 9y ago

I know it, I can read :-), and is not so easy as you thing. Animals in animal factory farming can be feeded with things that neither humans nor plants can/would accept directly. Animal factory farming by-products also are needed to support agriculture. Using human faeces at large scale to fertilize the spoil is not so good idea as using horse, goat, cow or pig faeces (Because human faeces carry more types of human transmisible parasites and more often than faeces in non-human animals). Agriculture without using fertilizers will not provide the same harvests. We have only one planet and the only land available yet to put all this cattle (that is apt to breed cattle and not used yet) are the last sanctuaries of biodiversity. We will need to burn the forests if we want to scalate our solution of "freedom for all cows and pigs". Therefore we must be aware that our shiny plan of liberating resources to feed humans could backfire easily in several parts. There is not a morally-magic solution for our current problems (and we have big problems). Meat generated in lab will need also resources to grow. We talk about chemical resources, lots of water, sterilization material and lots of energy. And currently is just a very expensive way with the main purpose to provide vegans with a exit way to lie to themselves and eat meat that "is not meat, just a nerveless animal tissue thin as a paper".

everheardofc 9y ago
>Animals in animal factory farming can be feeded with things that neither humans nor plants can/would accept directly. So can non-factory animal farms. I don't see how factory farming is better in this aspect than other types of animal farms. There is a middle ground between no animal farming and factory farming. >Animal factory farming by-products also are needed to support agriculture. Using human faeces at large scale to fertilize the spoil is not so good idea as using horse, goat, cow or pig faeces (Because human faeces carry more types of human transmisible parasites and more often than faeces in non-human animals). Factory farming has the unfortunate sideeffect of producing too much fertiliser of the wrong kind. The farms have trouble getting rid of their excess waste. http://www.onegreenplanet.org/environment/the-dangers-of-using-waste-from-factory-farms-as-fertilizer/ http://www.onegreenplanet.org/environment/the-dangers-of-usi... >It is not uncommon that a factory farm will produce more waste than can be absorbed into the soil surrounding the facility. Because there is such an excess of excrement, it is often over-applied to fields and the nutrients that cannot be absorbed by the soil run off into local waterways.