This was posted in one of the threads a few days back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nLKHYHmPbo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nLKHYHmPbo Starting at 12:

This was posted in one of the threads a few days back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nLKHYHmPbo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nLKHYHmPbo Starting at 12:00, Toby Hemenway talks about agriculture led industrial culture & its problems. How we are missing a spot where horticulture can be long-term beneficial.