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People use Linus' kernel version because of his track record. Don't like it? Fork it. The day Linus starts failing miserably is the day another mainline will e

by milesf 16y ago

People use Linus' kernel version because of his track record. Don't like it? Fork it. The day Linus starts failing miserably is the day another mainline will emerge, and everyone will switch to that. Nothing here to worry about.

blueberry 16y ago
There might be comparable forks to Linux out there right now. Does anyone switch? No. Linux is the windows of Unices. You can't dethrone it just by coming up with a better fork.
- derefr 16y ago
  There's a difference between being slightly better than something that's still satisfactory, and being good in comparison to something that's no longer satisfactory. Look at X11: everyone used XFree86, even though forks were possible—until they decided to go in a direction people didn't like. Then people started using X.Org pretty damned fast.
  - blueberry 16y ago
    While I agree with what you are saying, your analogy is not completely accurate. Switching GUI is nowhere near switching the kernel in terms of risk and the hassle that might come with the change. The main reasons for inertia are the linux servers and the development stack that's built on top of linux servers. Most deployed Linuces have neither X.Org nor XFree86 installed on them.
    - nzmsv 16y ago
      The kernel is already evolving constantly, and a major version upgrade has to be thoroughly tested before rolling it out on a production system. A fork won't be that different - if Linus switches the license tomorrow, most kernel devs will just move to the forked codebase.
      - avar 16y ago
        A license change is a bad example. Nobody can switch the license for Linux. It has always been GPLv2-only, you'd need the approval of all contributors to the kernel to switch.
  - _delirium 16y ago
    That was something of a palace coup, though--- x.org wasn't really an upstart fork, but a secession of a large portion of the XFree86 core team. They also managed to get the X Consortium to hand over the old x.org domain to them and bless their version as the new official reference implementation, which cemented their new status.
wazoox 16y ago
Most distros patches their kernels, though.
igravious 16y ago
Like android did.
madair 16y ago
This explanation, while popular, always seems to willfully avoid taking social capital into account. "There's there door, you can leave any time" isn't an answer to the people who are invested in a community and actively seeking ways to ensure its success.

by milesf 16y ago

blueberry 16y ago

There might be comparable forks to Linux out there right now. Does anyone switch? No. Linux is the windows of Unices. You can't dethrone it just by coming up with a better fork.

derefr 16y ago
There's a difference between being slightly better than something that's still satisfactory, and being good in comparison to something that's no longer satisfactory. Look at X11: everyone used XFree86, even though forks were possible—until they decided to go in a direction people didn't like. Then people started using X.Org pretty damned fast.
- blueberry 16y ago
  While I agree with what you are saying, your analogy is not completely accurate. Switching GUI is nowhere near switching the kernel in terms of risk and the hassle that might come with the change. The main reasons for inertia are the linux servers and the development stack that's built on top of linux servers. Most deployed Linuces have neither X.Org nor XFree86 installed on them.
  - nzmsv 16y ago
    The kernel is already evolving constantly, and a major version upgrade has to be thoroughly tested before rolling it out on a production system. A fork won't be that different - if Linus switches the license tomorrow, most kernel devs will just move to the forked codebase.
    - avar 16y ago
      A license change is a bad example. Nobody can switch the license for Linux. It has always been GPLv2-only, you'd need the approval of all contributors to the kernel to switch.
- _delirium 16y ago
  That was something of a palace coup, though--- x.org wasn't really an upstart fork, but a secession of a large portion of the XFree86 core team. They also managed to get the X Consortium to hand over the old x.org domain to them and bless their version as the new official reference implementation, which cemented their new status.

wazoox 16y ago

Most distros patches their kernels, though.

igravious 16y ago

Like android did.

madair 16y ago

This explanation, while popular, always seems to willfully avoid taking social capital into account. "There's there door, you can leave any time" isn't an answer to the people who are invested in a community and actively seeking ways to ensure its success.