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Also, even if you can demonstrate or prove that a refresh button offers no tangible benefit, it creates an illusion of control that improves the UI/UX. It's li

Also, even if you can demonstrate or prove that a refresh button offers no tangible benefit, it creates an illusion of control that improves the UI/UX. It's like the close door button in US elevators.

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chrismorgan 9y ago
I wot not the attitude of others to such matters, but I find the presence of a close button that doesn’t appear to do anything unreasonably frustrating. (After an office move a couple of months back I encountered my first elevator in Australia with an close button that does little to nothing. Fortunately I work from home normally and only endure the elevator every couple of weeks.)
- peteretep 9y ago
  > wot Strong choice of word.
  - dwringer 9y ago
    I know others have downvoted you, but I want to thank you for pointing that out to me. I had absolutely no idea the word "wit" could be used in that way. Apparently it appears in some biblical passage(s), as well as in a Robert F. Young sci-fi short story. I only found it defined here: [1] [1] http://www.dictionary.com/browse/wot http://www.dictionary.com/browse/wot
mzzter 9y ago
This~ I've lost count of how many times I've pulled to refresh on a scrollable view in an app that doesn't refresh that way. Feels bad man.
dragonwriter 9y ago
> It's like the close door button in US elevators. The close door button is retained for emergency manual operation, not as a placebo button (they are disabled in normal, non-emergency operation because of ADA minimum open time rules to accommodate wheelchair-bound passengers.)
tzs 9y ago
> It's like the close door button in US elevators. Some US elevators. The one at my office works fine, at least after the door has been open for a short time. I've done timing tests with a stopwatch to make sure I wasn't misjudging or misperceiving things. The door is open normally for N seconds and there is a threshold, T, such that if the button is pressed at time P, where P is in [T, N], the door starts closing immediately. I don't remember the details now, but T was around 2 or 3 seconds, and N was around 8 or so seconds. There are a variety of reasons that many elevators do not work or appear to not work in the US. • Some are programmed not to work during times that are normally high traffic to encourage fuller cars. • Some have a delay. If the door was going to close in 5 seconds normally, and the close door button works but with a 3 second delay, it would only have an effect if you pushed it within the first 2 second after the door opened. • Some are simply broken. A broken close door button does not put the elevator out of service so it can stay broken for a very long time. • Some owners choose to have them disabled. Perhaps they have received complaints about too many obnoxious people closing the doors early. Perhaps they think that the law requires it (maybe local codes do in fact require it). Perhaps they think disabling it reduces wear on the doors (I've read somewhere that door problems are the most common cause of needing elevator repair). I've seen quite a few articles that claim that the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) requires that close door buttons be disabled during normal operation. I doubt this. None of the articles I've seen cited a specific section of the ADA, and I could not find any grepping through the text. Furthermore, the ADA was passed in 1990, but non-working close door buttons were widespread well before that. Here's a Straight Dope column on this from 1986, for example [1]. The most I found was something about there being a mandated minimum open time, during which the close door button would not be allowed to work. [1] http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/595/do-close-door-buttons-on-elevators-ever-actually-work http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/595/do-close-door-b...
- mannykannot 9y ago
  I once worked in an older office where the 'open door' button worked as a 'close' button, as using it apparently canceled the 'hold door open' timer. It also had a traditional do-nothing 'close door' button.
- ComodoHacker 9y ago

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chrismorgan 9y ago

I wot not the attitude of others to such matters, but I find the presence of a close button that doesn’t appear to do anything unreasonably frustrating. (After an office move a couple of months back I encountered my first elevator in Australia with an close button that does little to nothing. Fortunately I work from home normally and only endure the elevator every couple of weeks.)

peteretep 9y ago
> wot Strong choice of word.
- dwringer 9y ago
  I know others have downvoted you, but I want to thank you for pointing that out to me. I had absolutely no idea the word "wit" could be used in that way. Apparently it appears in some biblical passage(s), as well as in a Robert F. Young sci-fi short story. I only found it defined here: [1] [1] http://www.dictionary.com/browse/wot http://www.dictionary.com/browse/wot

mzzter 9y ago

This~ I've lost count of how many times I've pulled to refresh on a scrollable view in an app that doesn't refresh that way. Feels bad man.

dragonwriter 9y ago

> It's like the close door button in US elevators. The close door button is retained for emergency manual operation, not as a placebo button (they are disabled in normal, non-emergency operation because of ADA minimum open time rules to accommodate wheelchair-bound passengers.)

tzs 9y ago

> It's like the close door button in US elevators. Some US elevators. The one at my office works fine, at least after the door has been open for a short time. I've done timing tests with a stopwatch to make sure I wasn't misjudging or misperceiving things. The door is open normally for N seconds and there is a threshold, T, such that if the button is pressed at time P, where P is in [T, N], the door starts closing immediately. I don't remember the details now, but T was around 2 or 3 seconds, and N was around 8 or so seconds. There are a variety of reasons that many elevators do not work or appear to not work in the US. • Some are programmed not to work during times that are normally high traffic to encourage fuller cars. • Some have a delay. If the door was going to close in 5 seconds normally, and the close door button works but with a 3 second delay, it would only have an effect if you pushed it within the first 2 second after the door opened. • Some are simply broken. A broken close door button does not put the elevator out of service so it can stay broken for a very long time. • Some owners choose to have them disabled. Perhaps they have received complaints about too many obnoxious people closing the doors early. Perhaps they think that the law requires it (maybe local codes do in fact require it). Perhaps they think disabling it reduces wear on the doors (I've read somewhere that door problems are the most common cause of needing elevator repair). I've seen quite a few articles that claim that the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) requires that close door buttons be disabled during normal operation. I doubt this. None of the articles I've seen cited a specific section of the ADA, and I could not find any grepping through the text. Furthermore, the ADA was passed in 1990, but non-working close door buttons were widespread well before that. Here's a Straight Dope column on this from 1986, for example [1]. The most I found was something about there being a mandated minimum open time, during which the close door button would not be allowed to work. [1] http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/595/do-close-door-buttons-on-elevators-ever-actually-work http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/595/do-close-door-b...

mannykannot 9y ago
I once worked in an older office where the 'open door' button worked as a 'close' button, as using it apparently canceled the 'hold door open' timer. It also had a traditional do-nothing 'close door' button.
ComodoHacker 9y ago