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I completely agree. But the example the author notes isn’t the worst. If killing the app refreshes, that’s okay. The problem is a lot worse if the app syncs t

I completely agree. But the example the author notes isn’t the worst. If killing the app refreshes, that’s okay. The problem is a lot worse if the app syncs to disk. All Apple apps have this issue. iCloud is nice when it works, but it’s infuriating when a photo or something doesn’t show up on your other device, and there is no way to force a sync.

stefco_ 9y ago
Agreed. iCloud's antics keep forcing me to seriously consider android. Their refusal to give you FS or cache access is similarly infuriating; I stopped using my old 16GB purely because I couldn't selectively control what was stored on the phone and iCloud photos was too dumb to control its cache. I would have gigabytes of old photos downloaded to my phone until it was so full that apps would regularly crash! I had to regularly toggle iCloud photo storage and basically just wait until my iPhone had locally cached enough of my library that it was full and broken again... And, of couree because Apple thinks their software "just works" or whatever, I couldn't just hit a "clear cache" button or manually rm files from the cache (still a hack, but one that takes all of two seconds). At the moment, I'm keeping myself somewhat satisfied by just using adobe creative cloud for photos I care about, but it's not an ideal solution. And I'm annoyed that Apple basically forced me to buy a new phone a year or two earlier than I wanted to by crippling my old one with broken software.
- pmx 9y ago
  > And I'm annoyed that Apple basically forced me to buy a new phone a year or two earlier than I wanted to by crippling my old one with broken software Isn't that basically their business model?
  - stefco_ 9y ago
    Yes, it seems to be. The privacy and security emphasis is one of the main things keeping me locked in.
mercer 9y ago
I've been running into a similar issue with the HandOff stuff (or whatever it's called). I'll have a chrome tab open on one computer, do the task-switching thing on the other computer which should open the same tab there. Instead I might get a tab I had open earlier, sometimes well over a minute earlier. Obviously the best solution would be to make the syncing of this seamless, but I'd happily go for a system-wide sync button...
B1FF_PSUVM 9y ago
> All Apple apps have this issue. Starting with the blessed Mac Finder. Last week I needed a recently added file from an SMB folder, Finder stubbornly refuses to update its view, reopening or reconnecting is no use, etc. Hit the web, found that for many years now the answer to refresh is "Force quit/reload the Finder". Oh well, that works, how elegant ...
pimlottc 9y ago
Kill-to-refresh is marginally okay only if you just need to refresh the default state. It's very frustrating when you've already made 3-4 changes to the default view and are forced to re-apply all those changes after restart.

stefco_ 9y ago

Agreed. iCloud's antics keep forcing me to seriously consider android. Their refusal to give you FS or cache access is similarly infuriating; I stopped using my old 16GB purely because I couldn't selectively control what was stored on the phone and iCloud photos was too dumb to control its cache. I would have gigabytes of old photos downloaded to my phone until it was so full that apps would regularly crash! I had to regularly toggle iCloud photo storage and basically just wait until my iPhone had locally cached enough of my library that it was full and broken again... And, of couree because Apple thinks their software "just works" or whatever, I couldn't just hit a "clear cache" button or manually rm files from the cache (still a hack, but one that takes all of two seconds). At the moment, I'm keeping myself somewhat satisfied by just using adobe creative cloud for photos I care about, but it's not an ideal solution. And I'm annoyed that Apple basically forced me to buy a new phone a year or two earlier than I wanted to by crippling my old one with broken software.

pmx 9y ago
> And I'm annoyed that Apple basically forced me to buy a new phone a year or two earlier than I wanted to by crippling my old one with broken software Isn't that basically their business model?
- stefco_ 9y ago
  Yes, it seems to be. The privacy and security emphasis is one of the main things keeping me locked in.

mercer 9y ago

I've been running into a similar issue with the HandOff stuff (or whatever it's called). I'll have a chrome tab open on one computer, do the task-switching thing on the other computer which should open the same tab there. Instead I might get a tab I had open earlier, sometimes well over a minute earlier. Obviously the best solution would be to make the syncing of this seamless, but I'd happily go for a system-wide sync button...

B1FF_PSUVM 9y ago

> All Apple apps have this issue. Starting with the blessed Mac Finder. Last week I needed a recently added file from an SMB folder, Finder stubbornly refuses to update its view, reopening or reconnecting is no use, etc. Hit the web, found that for many years now the answer to refresh is "Force quit/reload the Finder". Oh well, that works, how elegant ...

pimlottc 9y ago

Kill-to-refresh is marginally okay only if you just need to refresh the default state. It's very frustrating when you've already made 3-4 changes to the default view and are forced to re-apply all those changes after restart.