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OTOH, iOS 11 makes it harder to turn off your wifi and bluetooth radios [0], by fooling you into thinking you've done so when really they just disconnected you,

OTOH, iOS 11 makes it harder to turn off your wifi and bluetooth radios [0], by fooling you into thinking you've done so when really they just disconnected you, so there's that. I don't think they're nearly as privacy-focused as they claim, and I'm not talking about just the marketing double-speak. [0]: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/evpz7a/turn-off-wi-fi-and-bluetooth-apple-ios-11 https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/evpz7a/turn-off-w...

tedivm 9y ago
I'm pretty sick of this meme. They aren't lying to people, they've just changed how the UI functions. It is still completely possible to turn off either bluetooth or wifi. The whole point of this change is to match the behavior people actually have. People tend to want to disconnect from a bluetooth device rather than completely turn off bluetooth, and a huge amount of time when people are turning off wifi it's because they have a bad connection to a single network (such as when they are walking away from their house) and they simply want to disconnect from the network they are on. This isn't some ridiculous antiprivacy conspiracy, it's just swapping menus and buttons around to give people what apple (and myself) think is a better user experience.
- couchand 9y ago
  It seems you're unfamiliar with the litany of frequent bluetooth vulnerabilities? Not to mention the power-saving advantages of turning off wireless radios. Perhaps reversing this decision alone would allow the iPhone battery to last a full day?
  - Synaesthesia 9y ago
    Firstly, I’m not aware of any such vulnerabilities affecting iPhones, because their Bluetooth capabilities are quite sparse (no file transfers etc). Also their power management seems to be smart enough, that the power usage is quite negligible, in my experience.
    - couchand 9y ago
      Well, here's a recent one, for example: https://www.armis.com/blueborne/#/devices https://www.armis.com/blueborne/#/devices
  - sah2ed 9y ago
    > Not to mention the power-saving advantages of turning off wireless radios. Rather than turn off each wireless radio individually, there's a faster shortcut which is to activate low power mode. Low power mode will turn off wireless radios not in active use so this means less clicks for the user.

tedivm 9y ago

I'm pretty sick of this meme. They aren't lying to people, they've just changed how the UI functions. It is still completely possible to turn off either bluetooth or wifi. The whole point of this change is to match the behavior people actually have. People tend to want to disconnect from a bluetooth device rather than completely turn off bluetooth, and a huge amount of time when people are turning off wifi it's because they have a bad connection to a single network (such as when they are walking away from their house) and they simply want to disconnect from the network they are on. This isn't some ridiculous antiprivacy conspiracy, it's just swapping menus and buttons around to give people what apple (and myself) think is a better user experience.

couchand 9y ago
It seems you're unfamiliar with the litany of frequent bluetooth vulnerabilities? Not to mention the power-saving advantages of turning off wireless radios. Perhaps reversing this decision alone would allow the iPhone battery to last a full day?
- Synaesthesia 9y ago
  Firstly, I’m not aware of any such vulnerabilities affecting iPhones, because their Bluetooth capabilities are quite sparse (no file transfers etc). Also their power management seems to be smart enough, that the power usage is quite negligible, in my experience.
  - couchand 9y ago
    Well, here's a recent one, for example: https://www.armis.com/blueborne/#/devices https://www.armis.com/blueborne/#/devices
- sah2ed 9y ago
  > Not to mention the power-saving advantages of turning off wireless radios. Rather than turn off each wireless radio individually, there's a faster shortcut which is to activate low power mode. Low power mode will turn off wireless radios not in active use so this means less clicks for the user.