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> Impressive to see a detailed page dedicated to affirming privacy as a "right" That's just marketing speak for "we failed to make a business out of tracking y

> Impressive to see a detailed page dedicated to affirming privacy as a "right" That's just marketing speak for "we failed to make a business out of tracking you, so now we're spinning that to our advantage". If Apple had succeeded with iAds, you wouldn't be seeing this page now. Just business as usual.

savanaly 9y ago
Well I'm not sitting in judgement of Apple at the pearly gates, I'm a consumer trying to decide what brand of electronics to get. So I think it is fair to say it impresses me on that level to see them so committed to privacy.
freedomben 9y ago
Exactly. I try not to be so cynical, but this is so clearly a marketing tactic that research and emerging trends have shown is a winner for them, since they are so far behind in the AI race (and AI can't succeed without data, so by harming people's acceptance of data harvesting they in turn reduce their competitors' advantage).
- rblatz 9y ago
  Privacy has been big at Apple for a long time, this video was posted in this thread of Steve Jobs talking about how important privacy is to Apple https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39iKLwlUqBo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39iKLwlUqBo
danso 9y ago
Maybe. But it's hard to know how much of Apple's current stance on privacy comes from Tim Cook, rather than simply being a natural evolution of Apple's direction under Steve Jobs (iAds began in 2010).
selectodude 9y ago
iAd was a failure because Apple wouldn’t give advertisers the user data they demanded and dictated the size and locations of ads.
askafriend 9y ago
All the evidence and all their past actions point to the contrary of what you're suggesting. See examples like iAd, Siri, Photos app, Maps, and Apple Pay. Review the San Bernardino case and notice how firm they stood despite the extremely negative PR. There are so many instances where the easiest and most profitable path forward was not the path Apple took. We as consumers wouldn't have even noticed in the moment if they went down the easy path, but we notice now because of the consistency and belief in their own actions. That speaks for itself. They've earned the right to market the principles that they've demonstrated over and over again whether publicly or more privately (e.g the reasons for iAd's failure that another poster mentioned). It's a business at the end of the day and it always will be, but a statement like that on it's own is completely meaningless. I think most of us can agree here that this is an example of the right and honest way to do business. Also, whether we agree with the privacy stance or not and whether we accept the tradeoffs or not is completely irrelevant to this.

savanaly 9y ago

Well I'm not sitting in judgement of Apple at the pearly gates, I'm a consumer trying to decide what brand of electronics to get. So I think it is fair to say it impresses me on that level to see them so committed to privacy.

freedomben 9y ago

Exactly. I try not to be so cynical, but this is so clearly a marketing tactic that research and emerging trends have shown is a winner for them, since they are so far behind in the AI race (and AI can't succeed without data, so by harming people's acceptance of data harvesting they in turn reduce their competitors' advantage).

rblatz 9y ago
Privacy has been big at Apple for a long time, this video was posted in this thread of Steve Jobs talking about how important privacy is to Apple https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39iKLwlUqBo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39iKLwlUqBo

danso 9y ago

Maybe. But it's hard to know how much of Apple's current stance on privacy comes from Tim Cook, rather than simply being a natural evolution of Apple's direction under Steve Jobs (iAds began in 2010).

selectodude 9y ago

iAd was a failure because Apple wouldn’t give advertisers the user data they demanded and dictated the size and locations of ads.

askafriend 9y ago

All the evidence and all their past actions point to the contrary of what you're suggesting. See examples like iAd, Siri, Photos app, Maps, and Apple Pay. Review the San Bernardino case and notice how firm they stood despite the extremely negative PR. There are so many instances where the easiest and most profitable path forward was not the path Apple took. We as consumers wouldn't have even noticed in the moment if they went down the easy path, but we notice now because of the consistency and belief in their own actions. That speaks for itself. They've earned the right to market the principles that they've demonstrated over and over again whether publicly or more privately (e.g the reasons for iAd's failure that another poster mentioned). It's a business at the end of the day and it always will be, but a statement like that on it's own is completely meaningless. I think most of us can agree here that this is an example of the right and honest way to do business. Also, whether we agree with the privacy stance or not and whether we accept the tradeoffs or not is completely irrelevant to this.