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That's looking at his life through a current day PC culture lens... he was the epitome of class and cool in his day, and definitely did his share of fighting fo
by alexanderh 9y ago
That's looking at his life through a current day PC culture lens... he was the epitome of class and cool in his day, and definitely did his share of fighting for civil rights. He probably could have aged out more gracefully, but he was a product of his times and rich... meh. Even in his older age, he lived perhaps a bit sleazy, but in a "like you wouldn't do the same thing with that kind of money and status" sort of way, if we're all being entirely honest with ourselves.
- adamnemecek 9y agoI'm far from pc culture. > like you wouldn't do the same thing with that kind of money and status" sort of way, if we're all being entirely honest with ourselves I would not no, BTW.
- alexanderh 9y agoI'm far from understanding exactly what you find so sleazy about him then?
- adamnemecek 9y agoI feel like if I have to explain this, you prolly won't get it.
- Mtinie 9y agoThat he was an older guy surrounded by a harem of younger “girlfriends”? Or that he had a sex grotto in his mansion? “Hugh Hefner” the personality may have been perceived as sleazy, but I’m sorry I never had a chance to speak with Hugh Hefner the entrepreneur and media magnate. I’m sure the public/private differences would have been glaring.
- adamnemecek 9y agoMore that he was promoting a what I would call a neo aristocratic lifestyle and that this sort of lifestyle was something to aspire towards. I don't care about what he did in his life, but I do care about him promoting it.
- alexanderh 9y agoWell, probably for the better. Doesn't seem exactly on topic for HN anyways. I'll just make my cheeky assumptions. Pun intended ;p
- ianai 9y agoI can honestly say I would not. Sex is great, for sure, but it’s far from what I want the apex of my life to be.
- alexanderh 9y agoI don't think it's fair to say that just because he took advantage of that aspect of his celebrity that he had no other life/talents/hobies outside of it. Its just the part we always hear about the most for obvious reasons. It'll take quite a bit to convince me most any human wouldn't gladly have their dream sex life, as well as all the time and money to pursue whatever else as well. It's not like it took up all his time or was challenging to atain what he did sexually, being who he was. I'm sure he fulfilled himself however else he pleased to the fullest extent as well. For me or your average Joe to live like that? Yea it would take all your time money and energy for sure lol
- ianai 9y agoI was responding to the part of “we would all live that way if we had his wealth and status”
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- mixmastamyk 9y agoSome people are not as horny as others, nothing to be ashamed of.
- ianai 9y agoDid you intend that offense?
- mixmastamyk 9y agoA statement of fact that different people have different needs, take it as you will.
- acjohnson55 9y ago"PC culture lens"? I wouldn't write off so blithely the clear chauvinism of Playboy. While I'm sure its models exercise more agency than a typical hardcore porn performer, I think it's still fair to say that its whole presentation values women primarily as sexual commodities.
- alexanderh 9y agoI know it's cliche but they really did have decent articles, and model profiles, I agree that they certainly went beyond simply presenting women for womens sake compared to most. I wonder, what would a magazine look like that still celebrated the naked female physical form but would pass this "wholesome" standard many seem to judge the Playboy magazine of failing to meet. Are naked bodies inherently 'wrong' to be admired? Looking at older issues from the heyday, and they are pretty damn classy. Sometimes I dont think mainstream Western culture will ever escape it's puritanical sex negative roots. Jealousy, envy, lust and insecurities seem so mixed up in the presentation of naked bodies, many will consciously or subconsciously find it inherently distasteful for as far as I can see. I personally think it's unfortunate that all of this baggage has to be so uniformly applied creating an impossible standard. Some times naked beautiful woman are just naked and beautiful, and there isn't anything objectifying to admire this particular trait than there is admiring intelligence. If I exclusively admire a woman's intelligence, am I objectifying her as a computational machine in lue of a sex machine or something? Idk
- acjohnson55 9y agoIt would probably look more like ESPN The Body. Or Annie Leibovitz's photos. There's a lot of nude art that's not exploitative in the same way. I'm not a prude, I'm just saying let's not airbrush what Playboy is.