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With any sort of password or authentication, you can just wait for the person to take out their phone and start using it, and then grab it from them. Not exactl

With any sort of password or authentication, you can just wait for the person to take out their phone and start using it, and then grab it from them. Not exactly difficult. If you are so concerned about security that you think there is a good chance someone is going to physically attack you to get into your phone, you should just assume someone will get into your phone eventually, and don't keep any sensitive data on it. For the other 99.9999% of the population, face id is good enough.

Fnoord 9y ago
The problem with phone security nowadays isn't merely the data people have on the phones, its the data people have in the cloud as well with passwords being saved on the device. > If you are so concerned about security that you think there is a good chance someone is going to physically attack you to get into your phone, you should just assume someone will get into your phone eventually, and don't keep any sensitive data on it. For the other 99.9999% of the population, face id is good enough. I don't understand this statistic. Are you arguing 99.9999% of all phones aren't a potential target of being stolen? Are you arguing 99.9999% of all people's data isn't interesting to authorities? You're being overly optimistic about FaceID.
- GhostVII 9y ago
  > I don't understand this statistic. Are you arguing 99.9999% of all phones aren't a potential target of being stolen? Are you arguing 99.9999% of all people's data isn't interesting to authorities? You're being overly optimistic about FaceID. No, I'm saying that, for effectively everyone, there are way easier ways to get into their phone than through FaceID, for example by just taking their phone while they are using it. So for effectively everyone, FaceID will not change their security risk, because there is no motivation for anyone to try and bypass their FaceID when there are easier attack vectors - especially when you are able to disable FaceID the second you feel you are being threatened.

Fnoord 9y ago

The problem with phone security nowadays isn't merely the data people have on the phones, its the data people have in the cloud as well with passwords being saved on the device. > If you are so concerned about security that you think there is a good chance someone is going to physically attack you to get into your phone, you should just assume someone will get into your phone eventually, and don't keep any sensitive data on it. For the other 99.9999% of the population, face id is good enough. I don't understand this statistic. Are you arguing 99.9999% of all phones aren't a potential target of being stolen? Are you arguing 99.9999% of all people's data isn't interesting to authorities? You're being overly optimistic about FaceID.

GhostVII 9y ago
> I don't understand this statistic. Are you arguing 99.9999% of all phones aren't a potential target of being stolen? Are you arguing 99.9999% of all people's data isn't interesting to authorities? You're being overly optimistic about FaceID. No, I'm saying that, for effectively everyone, there are way easier ways to get into their phone than through FaceID, for example by just taking their phone while they are using it. So for effectively everyone, FaceID will not change their security risk, because there is no motivation for anyone to try and bypass their FaceID when there are easier attack vectors - especially when you are able to disable FaceID the second you feel you are being threatened.