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In Canada they get treatment and are set free without restrictions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tim_McLean#Aftermath https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

In Canada they get treatment and are set free without restrictions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tim_McLean#Aftermath https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tim_McLean#Aftermat...

alkonaut 9y ago
Isn't that the case everywhere? But the catch is that you aren't set free until you are considered cured and/or safe to set free. For many, this means never.
- snuxoll 9y ago
  Unfortunate reality is some mental disease can't be effectively treated, if you can't clear the barrier of "not a danger to self or others" then it's best for society to keep a patient isolated from it. Still, our history with mental health facilities shows that we have a less than stellar reputation of actually treating individuals - wouldn't surprise me if to this day there are still people locked up in these places that SHOULD be capable of release.
  - alkonaut 9y ago
    Right. It's even very commonly the case that disorders are not treatable. Which is why many that are found insane and dangerous are never released from care. I think a problem in the US (at least by appearance) is that the regular prison system for those found same offers too little rehabilitation and care fit minor psychological disorders such as hyperactivity disorders etc. Locking half as many people up for half as long as they are currently would quadruple resources available to rehabilitate those who need it.
craftyguy 9y ago
Slightly off-topic, but > After the incident, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals attempted to run an ad in the Portage Daily Graphic comparing the killing of McLean to the consumption of animals WTF peta?
- rjeli 9y ago
  yes, that is the intended response http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/17/the-toxoplasma-of-rage/ http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/17/the-toxoplasma-of-rage/
  - craftyguy 9y ago
    peta is the donald trump of 'rights organizations'
- srtjstjsj 9y ago
  A murderer's life is more precious to human society than an innocent herbivore. WTF society?

In Canada they get treatment and are set free without restrictions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tim_McLean#Aftermath https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tim_McLean#Aftermat...

alkonaut 9y ago

Isn't that the case everywhere? But the catch is that you aren't set free until you are considered cured and/or safe to set free. For many, this means never.

snuxoll 9y ago
Unfortunate reality is some mental disease can't be effectively treated, if you can't clear the barrier of "not a danger to self or others" then it's best for society to keep a patient isolated from it. Still, our history with mental health facilities shows that we have a less than stellar reputation of actually treating individuals - wouldn't surprise me if to this day there are still people locked up in these places that SHOULD be capable of release.
- alkonaut 9y ago
  Right. It's even very commonly the case that disorders are not treatable. Which is why many that are found insane and dangerous are never released from care. I think a problem in the US (at least by appearance) is that the regular prison system for those found same offers too little rehabilitation and care fit minor psychological disorders such as hyperactivity disorders etc. Locking half as many people up for half as long as they are currently would quadruple resources available to rehabilitate those who need it.

craftyguy 9y ago

Slightly off-topic, but > After the incident, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals attempted to run an ad in the Portage Daily Graphic comparing the killing of McLean to the consumption of animals WTF peta?

rjeli 9y ago
yes, that is the intended response http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/17/the-toxoplasma-of-rage/ http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/17/the-toxoplasma-of-rage/
- craftyguy 9y ago
  peta is the donald trump of 'rights organizations'
srtjstjsj 9y ago
A murderer's life is more precious to human society than an innocent herbivore. WTF society?