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Yeah, how is the fact that top engineers and sales make way more money than cleaning staff news? I doubt cleaning staff at the Guardian make the same as editors

Yeah, how is the fact that top engineers and sales make way more money than cleaning staff news? I doubt cleaning staff at the Guardian make the same as editors in chief.

gaius 9y ago
Editor at the Graun makes £450k.
falcolas 9y ago
It's news when some of the biggest and wealthiest companies in the us do not pay their staff (regardless of work, regardless of contractor status) a livable wage.
- chaostheory 9y ago
  I think it's useful to look beyond the symptoms of the problem and instead to examine the source: the SF Bay Area's residential zoning is just terrible. It actively works against high density residential housing. It's the main bottleneck for affordable housing.
  - falcolas 9y ago
    I would think it better for Facebook to pay a living wage, and push to lower the cost of living so they can then pay less, instead of paying less and letting their employees hope that the situation will somehow solve itself.
    - chaostheory 9y ago
      That's the thing, raising salaries won't solve the issue. Why? Because it doesn't solve the issue of supply. Demand won't stagnate or go lower. Once salaries go up the only thing that changes is the price due to higher demand of limited housing units, leading to the same situation. The problem is with multiple city halls. They refuse to add more residential zones let alone high density residential zones. https://shift.newco.co/letter-of-resignation-from-the-palo-alto-planning-and-transportation-commission-f7b6facd94f5?gi=fa64f5ff8b72 https://shift.newco.co/letter-of-resignation-from-the-palo-a... Palo Alto is just one example. People need to raise the issue with elected officials, that they want more zoning for higher density residential.
- fav_collector 9y ago
  That isn't a reasonable expectation. Morally speaking, companies should be expected to pay market rate for the job and anything above that is charity.
  - deleted 9y ago
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  - bjl 9y ago
    Morally speaking, if your company can't afford to pay all of its employees a liveable wage, then it doesn't deserve to exist.
    - sp332 9y ago
      This is true and it's largely hidden by welfare costs that are shouldered by other taxpayers. If your company isn't paying a living wage then you owe a debt to society because they're literally picking up the tab.
      - amigoingtodie 9y ago
        Like every private golf course in Los Angeles?
    - fav_collector 9y ago
      Well no, the company would still be a net positive to the employee. Without the company, the employee would be making an even lower wage or unemployed.
    - jquery 9y ago
      Define “liveable”. Then ask yourself why you defined it that way.
    - tyingq 9y ago
      They aren't Facebook employees though, they are employees of a company that provides these types of services for many places. It's somewhat like FB being responsible for the A/C repairman being paid a fair wage by the HVAC company that Facebook uses to maintain the equipment in their campus.

Yeah, how is the fact that top engineers and sales make way more money than cleaning staff news? I doubt cleaning staff at the Guardian make the same as editors in chief.

gaius 9y ago

Editor at the Graun makes £450k.

falcolas 9y ago

It's news when some of the biggest and wealthiest companies in the us do not pay their staff (regardless of work, regardless of contractor status) a livable wage.

chaostheory 9y ago
I think it's useful to look beyond the symptoms of the problem and instead to examine the source: the SF Bay Area's residential zoning is just terrible. It actively works against high density residential housing. It's the main bottleneck for affordable housing.
- falcolas 9y ago
  I would think it better for Facebook to pay a living wage, and push to lower the cost of living so they can then pay less, instead of paying less and letting their employees hope that the situation will somehow solve itself.
  - chaostheory 9y ago
    That's the thing, raising salaries won't solve the issue. Why? Because it doesn't solve the issue of supply. Demand won't stagnate or go lower. Once salaries go up the only thing that changes is the price due to higher demand of limited housing units, leading to the same situation. The problem is with multiple city halls. They refuse to add more residential zones let alone high density residential zones. https://shift.newco.co/letter-of-resignation-from-the-palo-alto-planning-and-transportation-commission-f7b6facd94f5?gi=fa64f5ff8b72 https://shift.newco.co/letter-of-resignation-from-the-palo-a... Palo Alto is just one example. People need to raise the issue with elected officials, that they want more zoning for higher density residential.
fav_collector 9y ago
That isn't a reasonable expectation. Morally speaking, companies should be expected to pay market rate for the job and anything above that is charity.
- deleted 9y ago
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- bjl 9y ago
  Morally speaking, if your company can't afford to pay all of its employees a liveable wage, then it doesn't deserve to exist.
  - sp332 9y ago
    This is true and it's largely hidden by welfare costs that are shouldered by other taxpayers. If your company isn't paying a living wage then you owe a debt to society because they're literally picking up the tab.
    - amigoingtodie 9y ago
      Like every private golf course in Los Angeles?
  - fav_collector 9y ago
    Well no, the company would still be a net positive to the employee. Without the company, the employee would be making an even lower wage or unemployed.
  - jquery 9y ago
    Define “liveable”. Then ask yourself why you defined it that way.
  - tyingq 9y ago
    They aren't Facebook employees though, they are employees of a company that provides these types of services for many places. It's somewhat like FB being responsible for the A/C repairman being paid a fair wage by the HVAC company that Facebook uses to maintain the equipment in their campus.