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The issue with such "free speech" instances not being the norm is that the instances which do allow "hate speech" are going to be clustered with unsavory indivi

The issue with such "free speech" instances not being the norm is that the instances which do allow "hate speech" are going to be clustered with unsavory individuals. If toleration is not encouraged at the core, it is a useless service because I don't want to spend my time in a safe-zone where I have to preface anything I say with "I don't mean to offend, but I think..." any more than I want to hang out with a group of half fascists.

rakoo 9y ago
I totally agree with you that such instances may (and probably will) be "split" from the bigger federation, but that's the whole point of distribution. At that point we'll see multiple networks, each with their own rules and tolerance, and that is how federation thrives.
- kakarot 9y ago
  This is completely side-stepping my point.
egypturnash 9y ago
You could try not having half the things that come out of your mouth be easily construed as offensive, I guess? Seriously, I'm on mastodon.social and I've never once felt a need to preface anything like that.
- kakarot 9y ago
  You could try not having half the things that come out of your mouth be easily construed as offensive, I guess? Who is the gatekeeper for what is offensive and what is not? Why would you even accuse a stranger of having half the things coming out of their mouth being offensive? If you haven't experienced the vitriolic "safe-space" syndrome present in modern heavily-moderated social networks, give it time and you certainly will. When, for example, I get reported and called a "future rapist" by a gang of radical feminists for stating that there should be legal consequences for false reports of rape / domestic violence, then there is a problem. It was such occurrences that ultimately led to me leaving all social networks in the first place. The moderation is too heavy-handed and skewed in the direction of political correctedness to the point where if you disagree with someone you are labeled a nazi and silenced / blocked. It's a sad state of affairs.
  - egypturnash 9y ago
    I've been on Twitter for like a decade now and I've never had any problems with this "vitriolic safe-space syndrome". I am also a trans lady so I dunno maybe you think I'm part of the problem.
rmc 9y ago
> The issue with such "free speech" instances not being the norm is that the instances which do allow "hate speech" are going to be clustered with unsavory individuals. Hang on, I don't follow. Are you saying that free speech = hate speech = things from unsavory individuals?
- kakarot 9y ago
  No, that's a gross oversimplification. The post I was replying to had a link to an instance search including the flag "hatespeech=true". That's why I protested, for the same reason as you, because free speech != hate speech.

rakoo 9y ago

I totally agree with you that such instances may (and probably will) be "split" from the bigger federation, but that's the whole point of distribution. At that point we'll see multiple networks, each with their own rules and tolerance, and that is how federation thrives.

kakarot 9y ago
This is completely side-stepping my point.

egypturnash 9y ago

You could try not having half the things that come out of your mouth be easily construed as offensive, I guess? Seriously, I'm on mastodon.social and I've never once felt a need to preface anything like that.

kakarot 9y ago
You could try not having half the things that come out of your mouth be easily construed as offensive, I guess? Who is the gatekeeper for what is offensive and what is not? Why would you even accuse a stranger of having half the things coming out of their mouth being offensive? If you haven't experienced the vitriolic "safe-space" syndrome present in modern heavily-moderated social networks, give it time and you certainly will. When, for example, I get reported and called a "future rapist" by a gang of radical feminists for stating that there should be legal consequences for false reports of rape / domestic violence, then there is a problem. It was such occurrences that ultimately led to me leaving all social networks in the first place. The moderation is too heavy-handed and skewed in the direction of political correctedness to the point where if you disagree with someone you are labeled a nazi and silenced / blocked. It's a sad state of affairs.
- egypturnash 9y ago
  I've been on Twitter for like a decade now and I've never had any problems with this "vitriolic safe-space syndrome". I am also a trans lady so I dunno maybe you think I'm part of the problem.

rmc 9y ago

> The issue with such "free speech" instances not being the norm is that the instances which do allow "hate speech" are going to be clustered with unsavory individuals. Hang on, I don't follow. Are you saying that free speech = hate speech = things from unsavory individuals?

kakarot 9y ago
No, that's a gross oversimplification. The post I was replying to had a link to an instance search including the flag "hatespeech=true". That's why I protested, for the same reason as you, because free speech != hate speech.