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I think a lot of the problems relate to the experience of the person behind the camera. Often you can see the choppiness when things are moving. That to me lo

I think a lot of the problems relate to the experience of the person behind the camera. Often you can see the choppiness when things are moving. That to me looks like they are using a high shutter speed which is inappropriate for cine work. In still photography if you take a picture of a waterfall on a bright day at 1/1000 you'll see every crisp drop, shooting at 1/30th will give a little bit of smoothing motion blur. Using a DSLR shooting at 25 frames a second and leaving the shutter speed on auto can result in a sequence of 1/1000 second shots which will look choppy. What they should be doing is using Neutral Density filters so they can choose the appropriate aperture for the shot whilst keeping the shutter speed at 1/30 or there abouts. This will give the smoother motion images but does take skill and time. My other bugbear is many cameramen appear to have forgotten what a tripod is. The camera wobbling about can occasionally add to the atmosphere but most of the time it is just annoying and distracting. Again a combination of lack of skill and production values.

jaggederest 9y ago
> My other bugbear is many cameramen appear to have forgotten what a tripod is. The camera wobbling about can occasionally at to the atmosphere but most of the time it is just annoying and distracting. Again a combination of lack of skill and production values. With projection and home displays lagging camera technology, I'd be surprised if the opposite didn't happen. You can do a lot of shake reduction with 2x the pixels you intend to keep. Also I think a lot of the shake these days is added in post, partly to cover for production flaws and partly to add "atmosphere" as you say.
- Steve44 9y ago
  It's not camera shake creating blurry images I'm talking about, it's the cameraman 'wobbling' about so the image isn't steady. The images will still be sharp, just the camera moving about a bit.
  - jaggederest 9y ago
    Ah, you mean displacing rather than rotating, yes, I see what you mean, there's no way to correct that perspective shift. Though perhaps with two cameras and/or some grid projection...
- dom0 9y ago
  > Also I think a lot of the shake these days is added in post That's easy to check; if there is no parallax then it was definitely added in post.
- icantdrive55 9y ago
  Yea, over the years my best shots have been shot using a heavy tripod. There are times when I don't want to lug around that Manfretto tripod--a tripod that looks like you could mount a machine gun on it. I've tried monopods, but my best shots are all taken with a tripod.
jrimbault 9y ago
Maybe someone here can answer my question: During panning shots (horizontal, vertical), in recent films the image is blurry and uncomfortable (for me). Similar panning shots in earlier films seem cripser and more "comfortable". Is there a technical reason (shutter speed fashion) ? Or is it in my head ?
- dharma1 9y ago
  http://www.red.com/learn/red-101/global-rolling-shutter http://www.red.com/learn/red-101/global-rolling-shutter
  - Steve44 9y ago
    Interesting looking article, thank you & I'll read that later. An example of a different shutter mechanism producing an odd effect, this picture https://www.flickr.com/photos/sorenragsdale/3192314056/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/sorenragsdale/3192314056/ shows that what the camera sees isn't always the truth!
    - shezi 9y ago
      There are really nice video explanations for rolling shutter effects on very fast things by Smarter Every Day[1] and standupmaths[2]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNVtMmLlnoE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNVtMmLlnoE [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP1elMR5qjc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP1elMR5qjc
- gt_ 9y ago
  It's called 'Rolling Shutter'. This was never a problem until the advent of using CMOS sensors for motion recording. It basically started with the Canon 5D and iPhone video. As a camera operator, this crap technology gave me my first gray hairs. It allows for the processor and write tech in the camera to only handle one line of pixels at a time instead of the entire frame. In response, camera departments had to invent the term 'Global Shutter' to describe the proper way to do it, in which the entire frame is captured at once.
- 9y ago

jaggederest 9y ago

> My other bugbear is many cameramen appear to have forgotten what a tripod is. The camera wobbling about can occasionally at to the atmosphere but most of the time it is just annoying and distracting. Again a combination of lack of skill and production values. With projection and home displays lagging camera technology, I'd be surprised if the opposite didn't happen. You can do a lot of shake reduction with 2x the pixels you intend to keep. Also I think a lot of the shake these days is added in post, partly to cover for production flaws and partly to add "atmosphere" as you say.

Steve44 9y ago
It's not camera shake creating blurry images I'm talking about, it's the cameraman 'wobbling' about so the image isn't steady. The images will still be sharp, just the camera moving about a bit.
- jaggederest 9y ago
  Ah, you mean displacing rather than rotating, yes, I see what you mean, there's no way to correct that perspective shift. Though perhaps with two cameras and/or some grid projection...
dom0 9y ago
> Also I think a lot of the shake these days is added in post That's easy to check; if there is no parallax then it was definitely added in post.
icantdrive55 9y ago
Yea, over the years my best shots have been shot using a heavy tripod. There are times when I don't want to lug around that Manfretto tripod--a tripod that looks like you could mount a machine gun on it. I've tried monopods, but my best shots are all taken with a tripod.

jrimbault 9y ago

Maybe someone here can answer my question: During panning shots (horizontal, vertical), in recent films the image is blurry and uncomfortable (for me). Similar panning shots in earlier films seem cripser and more "comfortable". Is there a technical reason (shutter speed fashion) ? Or is it in my head ?

dharma1 9y ago
http://www.red.com/learn/red-101/global-rolling-shutter http://www.red.com/learn/red-101/global-rolling-shutter
- Steve44 9y ago
  Interesting looking article, thank you & I'll read that later. An example of a different shutter mechanism producing an odd effect, this picture https://www.flickr.com/photos/sorenragsdale/3192314056/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/sorenragsdale/3192314056/ shows that what the camera sees isn't always the truth!
  - shezi 9y ago
    There are really nice video explanations for rolling shutter effects on very fast things by Smarter Every Day[1] and standupmaths[2]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNVtMmLlnoE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNVtMmLlnoE [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP1elMR5qjc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP1elMR5qjc
gt_ 9y ago
It's called 'Rolling Shutter'. This was never a problem until the advent of using CMOS sensors for motion recording. It basically started with the Canon 5D and iPhone video. As a camera operator, this crap technology gave me my first gray hairs. It allows for the processor and write tech in the camera to only handle one line of pixels at a time instead of the entire frame. In response, camera departments had to invent the term 'Global Shutter' to describe the proper way to do it, in which the entire frame is captured at once.
9y ago