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I'll disagree with you. We should be putting our own styling on once it hits our computers. There's no reason that we couldn't design systems so that the client

I'll disagree with you. We should be putting our own styling on once it hits our computers. There's no reason that we couldn't design systems so that the client can style it to their preference. Then you get the best of both worlds!

chestervonwinch 9y ago
Exactly. I use this approach all the time on mobile with text-only NPR. I can browse fast over crummy or spotty service, and when I find one that I want to read in depth, I go to reader mode.
krapp 9y ago
>We should be putting our own styling on once it hits our computers. 99.999% of people don't want to design their own custom CSS for every website they visit, though. And the people who do could set custom stylesheets on any site they like. Nothing really needs to change in that regard, the best of both worlds is already here.
- CaptSpify 9y ago
  but we could make it a lot easier. Imagine FF having a large list of stylesheets to choose from, with a "try it out now!" button or something. Additionally, If every site worked this way, you'd only have to set the stylesheet once.
  - krapp 9y ago
    But the vast majority of people view the complexity of modern design on the web as an extension of design in magazines - it's expected, and not a problem. Users would rather that work is done for them then have to do it themselves. What you're suggesting might make a nice browser plugin, though. Stylish but with an integrated marketplace.
    - crispyambulance 9y ago
      > majority of people view the complexity of modern design on the web as an extension of design in magazines... Yes, because that's sort-of what it is! There's a reason for styling. It makes things more legible, aesthetically pleasing and more fully expresses the intent of the content creator. We have different fonts and layouts for the same reason that buildings vary in design and materials. All buildings could be made of cinderblock and in the shape of rectangles but they're not, why do you think that is?
      - krapp 9y ago
        That's... exactly the argument I'm trying to make, here. Most people don't want the web to be as stripped down and minimalist as the site posted here, and asking them to style their own sites would go down about as well as asking them to bind their own books.
- int_19h 9y ago
  The default stylesheet can be a lot better - good enough for the aforementioned 99.999%. The defaults that we have at the moment date back to, what, late 90s?

chestervonwinch 9y ago

Exactly. I use this approach all the time on mobile with text-only NPR. I can browse fast over crummy or spotty service, and when I find one that I want to read in depth, I go to reader mode.

krapp 9y ago

>We should be putting our own styling on once it hits our computers. 99.999% of people don't want to design their own custom CSS for every website they visit, though. And the people who do could set custom stylesheets on any site they like. Nothing really needs to change in that regard, the best of both worlds is already here.

CaptSpify 9y ago
but we could make it a lot easier. Imagine FF having a large list of stylesheets to choose from, with a "try it out now!" button or something. Additionally, If every site worked this way, you'd only have to set the stylesheet once.
- krapp 9y ago
  But the vast majority of people view the complexity of modern design on the web as an extension of design in magazines - it's expected, and not a problem. Users would rather that work is done for them then have to do it themselves. What you're suggesting might make a nice browser plugin, though. Stylish but with an integrated marketplace.
  - crispyambulance 9y ago
    > majority of people view the complexity of modern design on the web as an extension of design in magazines... Yes, because that's sort-of what it is! There's a reason for styling. It makes things more legible, aesthetically pleasing and more fully expresses the intent of the content creator. We have different fonts and layouts for the same reason that buildings vary in design and materials. All buildings could be made of cinderblock and in the shape of rectangles but they're not, why do you think that is?
    - krapp 9y ago
      That's... exactly the argument I'm trying to make, here. Most people don't want the web to be as stripped down and minimalist as the site posted here, and asking them to style their own sites would go down about as well as asking them to bind their own books.
int_19h 9y ago
The default stylesheet can be a lot better - good enough for the aforementioned 99.999%. The defaults that we have at the moment date back to, what, late 90s?