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I don't understand your motivation here. Every time I advocate using Signal I run into a wall of "but it doesn't have stickers"; for those users, all the privac

I don't understand your motivation here. Every time I advocate using Signal I run into a wall of "but it doesn't have stickers"; for those users, all the privacy engineering is moot if the app doesn't fill their needs. Adding another attachment type would do nothing to degrade your experience, nor would it turn Signal into WeChat.

thinkloop 9y ago
It does degrade it tho. There have to be ui elements to interact with them, you need to be up to date on packs, a market needs to be implemented, maybe payment needs to be introduced, the chat looks ugly full of graphics, etc. Plus, every feature adds vectors of attack and things to maintain. I want this to be a Snowden'ish tool for adults, not giffy. I'm not saying my preferences are any better than yours, just highlighting that there are varied preferences out there. If signal started looking like WeChat or Messenger I'd probably leave.
- mintplant 9y ago
  > you need to be up to date on packs, a market needs to be implemented, maybe payment needs to be introduced You don't need any of that. Certainly none of that is present in Telegram. I don't think you read my original comment in full. > I want this to be a Snowden'ish tool for adults, not giffy. Ironically Signal already has Giphy integration, but I suppose you didn't notice because you don't use it—as would be the case with stickers.
- kelnos 9y ago
  > I want this to be a Snowden'ish tool for adults, not giffy. Not sure how you could be more condescending here. Look, I get it. I don't use stickers on messaging apps that support them, and I don't have a "GIF keyboard" or whatever. But plenty of actual adults use them and like them, and don't consider a messaging experience complete without them. If Signal's goal is to be a niche messaging platform that only hyper-privacy/security-conscious people use, then by all means, leave out the user-fun features that the masses want. But if they actually want to raise the bar for mass-market security and privacy, those features are essential. Maybe that's "lame"or "childish" to you, but that's just how it is. If the addition of stickers makes you leave the platform, then that's certainly a loss for you and those like you, but it's a huge win for the much-larger group of people who will be attracted to the service.
nebabyte 9y ago
What do you imagine is the point of proselytizing the use of secure apps to people for whom this is a concern that would override security? They aren't likely to adhere to secure practices anyways, so it's moot.
- mintplant 9y ago
  Moxie has stated in the past that the goal of Signal is not to cater to "security people" but to "make mass surveillance impossible".

thinkloop 9y ago

It does degrade it tho. There have to be ui elements to interact with them, you need to be up to date on packs, a market needs to be implemented, maybe payment needs to be introduced, the chat looks ugly full of graphics, etc. Plus, every feature adds vectors of attack and things to maintain. I want this to be a Snowden'ish tool for adults, not giffy. I'm not saying my preferences are any better than yours, just highlighting that there are varied preferences out there. If signal started looking like WeChat or Messenger I'd probably leave.

mintplant 9y ago
> you need to be up to date on packs, a market needs to be implemented, maybe payment needs to be introduced You don't need any of that. Certainly none of that is present in Telegram. I don't think you read my original comment in full. > I want this to be a Snowden'ish tool for adults, not giffy. Ironically Signal already has Giphy integration, but I suppose you didn't notice because you don't use it—as would be the case with stickers.
kelnos 9y ago
> I want this to be a Snowden'ish tool for adults, not giffy. Not sure how you could be more condescending here. Look, I get it. I don't use stickers on messaging apps that support them, and I don't have a "GIF keyboard" or whatever. But plenty of actual adults use them and like them, and don't consider a messaging experience complete without them. If Signal's goal is to be a niche messaging platform that only hyper-privacy/security-conscious people use, then by all means, leave out the user-fun features that the masses want. But if they actually want to raise the bar for mass-market security and privacy, those features are essential. Maybe that's "lame"or "childish" to you, but that's just how it is. If the addition of stickers makes you leave the platform, then that's certainly a loss for you and those like you, but it's a huge win for the much-larger group of people who will be attracted to the service.

nebabyte 9y ago

What do you imagine is the point of proselytizing the use of secure apps to people for whom this is a concern that would override security? They aren't likely to adhere to secure practices anyways, so it's moot.

mintplant 9y ago
Moxie has stated in the past that the goal of Signal is not to cater to "security people" but to "make mass surveillance impossible".