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They want all the data cloned in Russia so that they can spy on Russians and non Russians alike. Better to just say good bye to Russia and let them kick dirt.

by Akujin 9y ago

thg 9y ago
> They want all the data cloned in Russia so that they can spy on Russians and non Russians alike. So, the Russian equivalent of what the NSA has been doing the last 20 years? I find it far more likely that this is a sensible move to protect the data of Russian citizens from the US, who have shown time and again that they can't be trusted in these matters.
- mtmail 9y ago
  Yes, that seems to be the reasoning for EU privacy regulations (GDPR) as well.
- matthewbauer 9y ago
  I'm surprised people are defending this law. I mean, Facebook is a US company but the law applies to every country, right? Not that US privacy practices should be defended, it just seems like knee-jerk anti-American sentiment.
- int_19h 9y ago
  The difference is that NSA tries to keep things secret, because they knew that what they were doing is wrong, and that citizens won't like it if it comes out, it's going to be challenged in courts etc. In Russia, there's a public law that mandates ISPs to install surveillance equipment that federal law enforcement agency can use basically at will (for now, they still need technically warrants, although in practice it's impossible to enforce; next year, a new law comes into force that removes the requirement for a warrant). And another public law, which requires ISPs to block websites according to a list that is maintained by the government.
  - Sacho 9y ago
    > it's going to be challenged in courts etc How are those challenges going? Any courts out there overruling FISC? > In Russia, there's a public law that mandates ISPs to install surveillance equipment that federal law enforcement agency can use basically at will It's public law that created FISC(FISA @ 1978) and it's public law(Patriot Act, third party doctrine) that gave them the power to authorize the NSA's surveillance.
    - int_19h 9y ago
      Well, last time this came up, we did get legislation that did something. Not anywhere as much as it should have, but there's that, at least. Ditto FISC - it might be rubber-stamped warrants, but at least there's a warrant, by an actual judge. The practical degree of Internet surveillance, and, - especially! - censorship is still vastly lower in US than it is in Russia.

They want all the data cloned in Russia so that they can spy on Russians and non Russians alike. Better to just say good bye to Russia and let them kick dirt.

by Akujin 9y ago

They want all the data cloned in Russia so that they can spy on Russians and non Russians alike. Better to just say good bye to Russia and let them kick dirt.

thg 9y ago

> They want all the data cloned in Russia so that they can spy on Russians and non Russians alike. So, the Russian equivalent of what the NSA has been doing the last 20 years? I find it far more likely that this is a sensible move to protect the data of Russian citizens from the US, who have shown time and again that they can't be trusted in these matters.

mtmail 9y ago
Yes, that seems to be the reasoning for EU privacy regulations (GDPR) as well.
matthewbauer 9y ago
I'm surprised people are defending this law. I mean, Facebook is a US company but the law applies to every country, right? Not that US privacy practices should be defended, it just seems like knee-jerk anti-American sentiment.
int_19h 9y ago
The difference is that NSA tries to keep things secret, because they knew that what they were doing is wrong, and that citizens won't like it if it comes out, it's going to be challenged in courts etc. In Russia, there's a public law that mandates ISPs to install surveillance equipment that federal law enforcement agency can use basically at will (for now, they still need technically warrants, although in practice it's impossible to enforce; next year, a new law comes into force that removes the requirement for a warrant). And another public law, which requires ISPs to block websites according to a list that is maintained by the government.
- Sacho 9y ago
  > it's going to be challenged in courts etc How are those challenges going? Any courts out there overruling FISC? > In Russia, there's a public law that mandates ISPs to install surveillance equipment that federal law enforcement agency can use basically at will It's public law that created FISC(FISA @ 1978) and it's public law(Patriot Act, third party doctrine) that gave them the power to authorize the NSA's surveillance.
  - int_19h 9y ago
    Well, last time this came up, we did get legislation that did something. Not anywhere as much as it should have, but there's that, at least. Ditto FISC - it might be rubber-stamped warrants, but at least there's a warrant, by an actual judge. The practical degree of Internet surveillance, and, - especially! - censorship is still vastly lower in US than it is in Russia.