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First time in Saudi. Women were never banned from driving in Lebanon, not sure about Iran, but I don't think so

by ma1313 9y ago

agumonkey 9y ago
Sorry I didn't mean driving per se, but in the 70s women had more freedom and it regressed since.
- dibujante 9y ago
  That's not exactly true. People tout those photographs of "liberated" women in Iran in the 70's but that was a tiny slice of a female urban lifestyle restricted to a small number of elite women. That was not representative of the lives of the overwhelming majority of Iranian women.
  - agumonkey 9y ago
    Oh ok, thanks for the correction.
  - deleted 9y ago
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  - dmix 9y ago
    Iran was still far more liberal in general before the cultural revolution, no? Women don't have to be in nice clothes in urban areas to not be repressed by clerical rule backed by state rule... There may have been societal pressure but it's significantly different when it's backed by government security services and religious police.
    - Khaine 9y ago
      Yes, the Shah of Iran pushed a massive modernisation program [aka liberal agenda] to westernise Iran. The pushback from conservative elements was one of the driving forces of the revolution. The interference from western powers to prop up the Shah did not help matters. At least this was the impression I got from my time in Iran and visiting the tourist sites.
      - imron 9y ago
        > The pushback from conservative elements was one of the driving forces of the revolution. The other driving force being the CIA.
        jessaustin 9y ago
        I thought CIA installed the Shah? They didn't also depose him, did they? I mean I know they have always been really short-sighted about this sort of thing, but that would take the cake...
        imron 9y ago
        You are right. I had my history mixed up and was thinking of the coup, not the revolution.
      - Feniks 9y ago
        Actually, and this is forgotten by most non Iranians, the revolution against the shah was NOT Islamic. It was a coalition of factions that took him down including socialists and communists. The ayatollah and his followers seized the country within a few years though and turned it into an Islamic republic.
        Khaine 9y ago
        I'm aware of that. Everyone from socialists to islamists banded together to overthrow the shah, and the from this chaos the ayatollah and his followers seized the country.

First time in Saudi. Women were never banned from driving in Lebanon, not sure about Iran, but I don't think so

by ma1313 9y ago

First time in Saudi. Women were never banned from driving in Lebanon, not sure about Iran, but I don't think so

agumonkey 9y ago

Sorry I didn't mean driving per se, but in the 70s women had more freedom and it regressed since.

dibujante 9y ago
That's not exactly true. People tout those photographs of "liberated" women in Iran in the 70's but that was a tiny slice of a female urban lifestyle restricted to a small number of elite women. That was not representative of the lives of the overwhelming majority of Iranian women.
- agumonkey 9y ago
  Oh ok, thanks for the correction.
- deleted 9y ago
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- dmix 9y ago
  Iran was still far more liberal in general before the cultural revolution, no? Women don't have to be in nice clothes in urban areas to not be repressed by clerical rule backed by state rule... There may have been societal pressure but it's significantly different when it's backed by government security services and religious police.
  - Khaine 9y ago
    Yes, the Shah of Iran pushed a massive modernisation program [aka liberal agenda] to westernise Iran. The pushback from conservative elements was one of the driving forces of the revolution. The interference from western powers to prop up the Shah did not help matters. At least this was the impression I got from my time in Iran and visiting the tourist sites.
    - imron 9y ago
      > The pushback from conservative elements was one of the driving forces of the revolution. The other driving force being the CIA.
      - jessaustin 9y ago
        I thought CIA installed the Shah? They didn't also depose him, did they? I mean I know they have always been really short-sighted about this sort of thing, but that would take the cake...
        imron 9y ago
        You are right. I had my history mixed up and was thinking of the coup, not the revolution.
    - Feniks 9y ago
      Actually, and this is forgotten by most non Iranians, the revolution against the shah was NOT Islamic. It was a coalition of factions that took him down including socialists and communists. The ayatollah and his followers seized the country within a few years though and turned it into an Islamic republic.
      - Khaine 9y ago
        I'm aware of that. Everyone from socialists to islamists banded together to overthrow the shah, and the from this chaos the ayatollah and his followers seized the country.