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Out of interest, would you be happy with this if you had no option, and such storage was obligatory? I.e., to be hypothetical, suppose a resident of Canada who

Out of interest, would you be happy with this if you had no option, and such storage was obligatory? I.e., to be hypothetical, suppose a resident of Canada who did not want their personal information kept within Canada because they were under surveillance from the United States, and they knew that Canada shared information with the U.S. government. Would you approve of a law that gave that person no choice in where they stored their personal data?

ocdtrekkie 9y ago
Not the parent, but in my view, this wouldn't be significantly different than the world outside the Internet. A citizen and their possessions are rarely if ever outside the legal jurisdiction of the nation they are a part of. I do not see why the Internet should be any different than this. If there is a problem with the government, the solution needs to be to fix that government, not try to evade it or operate outside of it.
- dannyobrien 9y ago
  I'm not sure your metaphor works, even as a description of the current state of affairs. I can send my possessions anywhere I want, and I'm not limited in where I keep my possessions. We don't generally place bans on moving legal possessions.
  - ocdtrekkie 9y ago
    I don't know if I agree. There are import and export restrictions and most countries require you declare on a customs form the contents of packages shipped outside of the country. When you travel, you're expected to bring anything you take with you back, and declare anything you bring in that you didn't take out. In addition, from a more realistic/practical scenario, most physical possessions are not useful outside of your legal jurisdiction in that you cannot easily use them yourself. And there's a significant issue with digital assets (as with money, in fact), that large companies shift them over international borders in order to evade the law, that simply doesn't exist in the physical possession space. For example, I believe it's been accused that some tech companies shift user data overseas explicitly so that they can then deny fulfilling legal warrants on the grounds the data is not stored in the same country, or any number of tax evasion schemes designed to store and transfer money through countries with favorable tax laws.
    - int_19h 9y ago
      Sorry, but that makes no sense at all. I have packed all my things - truckloads of them - and moved to a different country several times in my life. It was never an issue, legally speaking. Yet, because I am still a Russian citizen, this law effectively requires Facebook to store my personal data on Russian servers. Including such data that has been generated in the last several years of me living elsewhere (which is, in fact, all of it - I didn't even have an FB account until I moved). How does this make any sense?

ocdtrekkie 9y ago

Not the parent, but in my view, this wouldn't be significantly different than the world outside the Internet. A citizen and their possessions are rarely if ever outside the legal jurisdiction of the nation they are a part of. I do not see why the Internet should be any different than this. If there is a problem with the government, the solution needs to be to fix that government, not try to evade it or operate outside of it.

dannyobrien 9y ago
I'm not sure your metaphor works, even as a description of the current state of affairs. I can send my possessions anywhere I want, and I'm not limited in where I keep my possessions. We don't generally place bans on moving legal possessions.
- ocdtrekkie 9y ago
  I don't know if I agree. There are import and export restrictions and most countries require you declare on a customs form the contents of packages shipped outside of the country. When you travel, you're expected to bring anything you take with you back, and declare anything you bring in that you didn't take out. In addition, from a more realistic/practical scenario, most physical possessions are not useful outside of your legal jurisdiction in that you cannot easily use them yourself. And there's a significant issue with digital assets (as with money, in fact), that large companies shift them over international borders in order to evade the law, that simply doesn't exist in the physical possession space. For example, I believe it's been accused that some tech companies shift user data overseas explicitly so that they can then deny fulfilling legal warrants on the grounds the data is not stored in the same country, or any number of tax evasion schemes designed to store and transfer money through countries with favorable tax laws.
  - int_19h 9y ago
    Sorry, but that makes no sense at all. I have packed all my things - truckloads of them - and moved to a different country several times in my life. It was never an issue, legally speaking. Yet, because I am still a Russian citizen, this law effectively requires Facebook to store my personal data on Russian servers. Including such data that has been generated in the last several years of me living elsewhere (which is, in fact, all of it - I didn't even have an FB account until I moved). How does this make any sense?