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isn't Apple guilty of releasing a product with an inherent design flaw? Yes. Many times. Just like almost every other engineer, including one hundred percent

isn't Apple guilty of releasing a product with an inherent design flaw? Yes. Many times. Just like almost every other engineer, including one hundred percent of those who practice agile methods and release minimum viable products. Also: Jimmy Carter was guilty of adultery in his heart. I'm struck by the fact that Apple criticism has acquired this theological tone. It's like Catholics debating the nature of original sin. Were the engineers born in perdition, or did they fall from grace? Can they be redeemed by faith alone, or must they perform good works, and how many additional Hail Marys are necessary? The bottom line is that this particular issue, whatever its Platonic form, is apparently not serious enough to get me off the iPhone waiting list. I am getting bored with waiting. Return your phones, people! The other bottom line is that mobile phone discussions used to occasionally stray to other companies besides Apple, other products besides iPhone and other people besides Steve Jobs. Now, apparently, there is nothing better to do but debate the color of Steve's invisible halo. Is this a signifier of the state of the industry right now? At some point, Motorola will release an exploding phone just to get a share of all the press.

kenthorvath 16y ago
not serious enough to get me off the iPhone waiting list. So, you don't actually own an iPhone 4, and haven't suffered with this issue, then? I hope your experience will be much better than mine. Truly.
- towndrunk 16y ago
  Did you return yours?
  - kenthorvath 16y ago
    Would that change the validity of either (a) my initial argument that Apple made an error, or (b) my correct observation that somebody was commenting on an issue with which he or she may not have any first-hand experience? Notice I never argued that Apple's error was severe enough that the only rational recourse was to return the phone itself. So, perhaps I did; perhaps I didn't. It's just not relevant.
    - towndrunk 16y ago
      I was just curious if you did or not. No need to be sensitive about it.
      - kenthorvath 16y ago
        Apologies. For whatever reason, perhaps because online discussions tend to take on a point-counterpoint structure, I sometimes misinterpret comments. I did not, in fact, return my phone. The bumper has fixed most of the issue, though it is still not an elegant solution. I very much suspect that Apple will have a hardware based fix, in the near future. Even if they don't, I get relatively good signal where I am, and so am not usually affected. Still, I have had "searching for signal" issues that would go away when I held the phone differently. -Cheers

kenthorvath 16y ago

not serious enough to get me off the iPhone waiting list. So, you don't actually own an iPhone 4, and haven't suffered with this issue, then? I hope your experience will be much better than mine. Truly.

towndrunk 16y ago
Did you return yours?
- kenthorvath 16y ago
  Would that change the validity of either (a) my initial argument that Apple made an error, or (b) my correct observation that somebody was commenting on an issue with which he or she may not have any first-hand experience? Notice I never argued that Apple's error was severe enough that the only rational recourse was to return the phone itself. So, perhaps I did; perhaps I didn't. It's just not relevant.
  - towndrunk 16y ago
    I was just curious if you did or not. No need to be sensitive about it.
    - kenthorvath 16y ago
      Apologies. For whatever reason, perhaps because online discussions tend to take on a point-counterpoint structure, I sometimes misinterpret comments. I did not, in fact, return my phone. The bumper has fixed most of the issue, though it is still not an elegant solution. I very much suspect that Apple will have a hardware based fix, in the near future. Even if they don't, I get relatively good signal where I am, and so am not usually affected. Still, I have had "searching for signal" issues that would go away when I held the phone differently. -Cheers