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This really boggles my mind. Having looked very closely at both (and being a react developer full time), I can not recognise this assessment. I just can't see h

This really boggles my mind. Having looked very closely at both (and being a react developer full time), I can not recognise this assessment. I just can't see how people can claim that Vue is simpler or easier than React. React is idiomatic javascript. Vue is it's own quirky thing that doesn't feel anything at all like Javascript to me.

twfarland 9y ago
Agreed. Pure views are much simpler.
- bpicolo 9y ago
  You can write prop-only, pure views in vue. :)
  - twfarland 9y ago
    Ignorance revealed :) thanks. What's Vue's idiomatic approach for managing state at the top, outside of all components (like Redux)?
    - corford 9y ago
      Vuex (https://vuex.vuejs.org/en/intro.html https://vuex.vuejs.org/en/intro.html)
overcast 9y ago
I'm not sure what feeling anything like JavaScript has to do with the discussion. No one asked which framework is most like JavaScript. I don't think JSX turning JavaScript into some weird XML/HTML hybrid feels like JavaScript either. Sure you can use it without it, but why would you? Vue works for me and others, whereas React works for you, and others. Let's just keep working on our projects.
- tomelders 9y ago
  Because the rest of your application is Javascript. Less cognitive burden when you switch to working on different layers of your application.
  - overcast 9y ago
    Except JSX isn't JavaScript, and no one uses React without it. So it's arguably just as much of a cognitive burden.
  - irrational 9y ago
    Wait, do you really experience cognitive burden when switching between html, js, and css? It surprises me if you do.
    - tomelders 9y ago
      I'm talking about switching between a context where there are first class functions that can be easily passed around, to a context where there's some archaic and magical, non idiomatic convention based on string based dependency injection, or magical way of writing attributes.
Shywim 9y ago
Depends what you call idiomatic. I dont think JSX is really a JavaScript idiom, more like a HTML idiom applied to JavaScript which happen to be often used together.* At the end of the day, I think that calling something idiomatic is subjective and so, varies from people to people. *: to be clear, my point is many people use JSX with React because it feels idiomatic (I manipulate HTML/DOM, so why not just write with HTML-like syntax?) but it is not idiomatic to JavaScript and I don't think the other React APIs are that nice to use. If I didn't use JSX with React, I'd tend to use other framework because, in my opinion, they make more sense.
- l1ambda 9y ago
  JSX is optional.
  - oceanswave 9y ago
    And vue optionally supports Jsx, so original comment or using it as a reason why ‘react sucks’ is being super pandentic. It’s ok to have multiple frameworks!
  - Touche 9y ago
    Optional features contribute to a tool's complexity, especially when every single example assumes you are using said optional feature.
  - bpicolo 9y ago
    It's optional, and also not optional. Nobody is using React without JSX in practice, because it's ugly and verbose.
    - l1ambda 9y ago
      Not true, without JSX, React is basically Mithril, if you alias React.createElement to a short function name.
      - bpicolo 9y ago
irrational 9y ago
Different peoples brains work differently. React clicks with your brain, but not Vue. I've been doing web development since 1996. I read through both the React documentation and the Vue documentation. Vue just clicked with my brain. I totally groked it from the beginning. React... not so much. Vue has been amazing for us so far.

twfarland 9y ago

Agreed. Pure views are much simpler.

bpicolo 9y ago
You can write prop-only, pure views in vue. :)
- twfarland 9y ago
  Ignorance revealed :) thanks. What's Vue's idiomatic approach for managing state at the top, outside of all components (like Redux)?
  - corford 9y ago
    Vuex (https://vuex.vuejs.org/en/intro.html https://vuex.vuejs.org/en/intro.html)

overcast 9y ago

I'm not sure what feeling anything like JavaScript has to do with the discussion. No one asked which framework is most like JavaScript. I don't think JSX turning JavaScript into some weird XML/HTML hybrid feels like JavaScript either. Sure you can use it without it, but why would you? Vue works for me and others, whereas React works for you, and others. Let's just keep working on our projects.

tomelders 9y ago
Because the rest of your application is Javascript. Less cognitive burden when you switch to working on different layers of your application.
- overcast 9y ago
  Except JSX isn't JavaScript, and no one uses React without it. So it's arguably just as much of a cognitive burden.
- irrational 9y ago
  Wait, do you really experience cognitive burden when switching between html, js, and css? It surprises me if you do.
  - tomelders 9y ago
    I'm talking about switching between a context where there are first class functions that can be easily passed around, to a context where there's some archaic and magical, non idiomatic convention based on string based dependency injection, or magical way of writing attributes.

Shywim 9y ago

Depends what you call idiomatic. I dont think JSX is really a JavaScript idiom, more like a HTML idiom applied to JavaScript which happen to be often used together.* At the end of the day, I think that calling something idiomatic is subjective and so, varies from people to people. *: to be clear, my point is many people use JSX with React because it feels idiomatic (I manipulate HTML/DOM, so why not just write with HTML-like syntax?) but it is not idiomatic to JavaScript and I don't think the other React APIs are that nice to use. If I didn't use JSX with React, I'd tend to use other framework because, in my opinion, they make more sense.

l1ambda 9y ago
JSX is optional.
- oceanswave 9y ago
  And vue optionally supports Jsx, so original comment or using it as a reason why ‘react sucks’ is being super pandentic. It’s ok to have multiple frameworks!
- Touche 9y ago
  Optional features contribute to a tool's complexity, especially when every single example assumes you are using said optional feature.
- bpicolo 9y ago
  It's optional, and also not optional. Nobody is using React without JSX in practice, because it's ugly and verbose.
  - l1ambda 9y ago
    Not true, without JSX, React is basically Mithril, if you alias React.createElement to a short function name.
    - bpicolo 9y ago

irrational 9y ago

Different peoples brains work differently. React clicks with your brain, but not Vue. I've been doing web development since 1996. I read through both the React documentation and the Vue documentation. Vue just clicked with my brain. I totally groked it from the beginning. React... not so much. Vue has been amazing for us so far.