I use 'what's your goal' as a conversation starter as well, but if it gets bogged down there, I start to tune out. I think you and I may differ in what we cons

I use 'what's your goal' as a conversation starter as well, but if it gets bogged down there, I start to tune out. I think you and I may differ in what we consider 'useful.' I don't classify procedural starting points as 'useful' except in a ritualistic sense. So in that sense I think I stand by my rather extreme-sounding view :)