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And how does Apple's revenue apply to that exactly? Why does it need to be posted to HN every quarter and make top story? Everyone knows they're doing well. No

by schammy 16y ago

And how does Apple's revenue apply to that exactly? Why does it need to be posted to HN every quarter and make top story? Everyone knows they're doing well. No one but the fanboys and shareholders care about their actual revenue/profits.

Groxx 16y ago
Q: Why does it need to be posted to HN every quarter and make top story? A: Why does it need to be posted to HN [by HN users] every quarter and make top story [because HN users have voted it up]? The community (which is why the site exists) hath spoken!
- derefr 16y ago
  No. This conception of "the democracy makes the rules" is what turns sites into inane cat-picture/political-argument factories. Tiny democracies can work as closed systems, but when they're open to people entering/leaving them, every change will precipitate a change in membership to realign the community's interests with the change. This causes a positive feedback loop, where eventually, for example, nobody is left except Apple addicts. Sites have purposes (otherwise, there would only need to be one website on the Internet, that served everyone's needs equally.) Letting the community decide both what, and who, the community is to be composed of, leads inevitably to every community being composed of "everyone," and having a purpose of "general interest." I, for one, would rather have a place that just has "Hacker News."
  - schammy 16y ago
    > I, for one, would rather have a place that just has "Hacker News." Amen, brother.
  - Groxx 16y ago
    You say this, yet the submitter has been here over 1000 days, and over 100 longer than you. Evidently at least some of the long-timers, from when this was a much more closed environment, do indeed see this as interesting news. So the question becomes: what's the definition of "hacker news", if not a user-submitted aggregator? And where do you define what is and what is not HN-worthy? It's apparently not age-related, nor precedence, nor community, and I don't know how you'd define what's hacker-related and what's not, barring strict, literal "hacks" (and then how about circuit bending to make music?).
- schammy 16y ago
  It's just the fanboys voting it up. Nothing wrong with being a fanboy, I'm just saying. This news is of no interest to the general community here, except the people who love Apple more than themselves. And apparently, there are quite a few of these people here. I come here to read news about startups, not to indulge in Apple lovefests. If I wanted to do that, I'd be over at TechCrunch.
  - pclark 16y ago
    People that blindly hate upon everything Apple is just as bad as people that blindly love Apple.
    - schammy 16y ago
      I'm not hating on Apple. Re-read my posts and tell me one place where I said anything negative about Apple. I'm simply asking a question - why is this news relevant to this community and why do we have to have a top-story post on it every quarter? What use is that to anyone here? And for this simple question, I have lost almost 40 points of karma in the last hour. Thanks everyone. What a great community.
      - Groxx 16y ago
        >Thanks everyone. What a great community. We do what we can to discourage repetitive whining. I'd say it works pretty well, because the site as a whole is remarkably free from it.
      - sorbus 16y ago
        It's just the fanboys; try to ignore them. They downvote anyone who expresses an opinion which they disagree with, or which they think is anti-apple. When the more sane users get to these comments, you'll regain at least a bit of your karma, probably.
      - dman 16y ago
        I do agree that going against the grain isnt very well rewarded on hn (or for most online communities for that matter). But you do have my respect for expanding the discussion space and asking what I think is a legitimate question.
rpledge 16y ago
Regardless of if you're a fanboy or shareholder, you should be interested in emerging and sustaining trends as an entrepreneur
- schammy 16y ago
  I see no connection between Apple's revenue and emerging/sustaining trends.
  - phreanix 16y ago
    Apple's revenue reinforces the belief that proper execution of an emerging trend works, as well as the sustained proper execution of it will keep on working.
  - rpledge 16y ago
    That's more of an unfortunate thing on your part, IMO. I take this from it personally: - Mobile is still growing like crazy - People are willing to pay a premium for quality even in tougher economic times - Digital distribution of Music and Software is the future (I left out movies here because Apple doesn't give a detailed breakdown, but I think this is a significant part of the iTunes revenue as well) Information exists everywhere, the truly successful are those that can extract it.
    - schammy 16y ago
      > Mobile is still growing like crazy So if you didn't get a top-story post on Apple's revenue from HN every quarter, you would have no idea how fast mobile is growing? > People are willing to pay a premium for quality even in tougher economic times So? Unless you're in the business of selling expensive hardware - and my guess is that you are not - this is irrelevant. > Digital distribution of Music and Software is the future We're already living in this future. The last time I bought a hard-copy retail version of software was in the 90's, and for music, at least 5 years.
      - rpledge 16y ago
ghshephard 16y ago
Apple has bet a significant portion of their business over the last 12-18 months on a mobile strategy. A very significant portion of the WWDC this year was focused on Mobile. Any developer out there wondering where to direct their energy into a new endeavor (and news.ycombinator.com is a place where such developers congregate, ycombinator being a well known seed fund) would be very interested in seeing Apple's success as an indicator of both the popularity of Apple Products as a development platform, and the mobile environment, in particular. This is big news for the Hacker community that is interested in creating new startups. Clearly, the Apple Ecosystem has both legs and inertia for another quarter. I continue to look forward to Google's, and, oddly enough, Micrsoft's response. I'm guessing we're going to see a lot of Mobile and Tablet news in the next 18 months based on Apple's most recent quarter. Less so on the Cloud - until, of course, Apple has a blowout quarter based on the revenue from their new $1B NC Data Center. :-)
- wallflower 16y ago
  Good article on how Jobs seriously went all-in on the original iPhone: http://counternotions.com/2008/07/16/bet-iphone/ http://counternotions.com/2008/07/16/bet-iphone/

by schammy 16y ago

Groxx 16y ago

Q: Why does it need to be posted to HN every quarter and make top story? A: Why does it need to be posted to HN [by HN users] every quarter and make top story [because HN users have voted it up]? The community (which is why the site exists) hath spoken!

derefr 16y ago
No. This conception of "the democracy makes the rules" is what turns sites into inane cat-picture/political-argument factories. Tiny democracies can work as closed systems, but when they're open to people entering/leaving them, every change will precipitate a change in membership to realign the community's interests with the change. This causes a positive feedback loop, where eventually, for example, nobody is left except Apple addicts. Sites have purposes (otherwise, there would only need to be one website on the Internet, that served everyone's needs equally.) Letting the community decide both what, and who, the community is to be composed of, leads inevitably to every community being composed of "everyone," and having a purpose of "general interest." I, for one, would rather have a place that just has "Hacker News."
- schammy 16y ago
  > I, for one, would rather have a place that just has "Hacker News." Amen, brother.
- Groxx 16y ago
  You say this, yet the submitter has been here over 1000 days, and over 100 longer than you. Evidently at least some of the long-timers, from when this was a much more closed environment, do indeed see this as interesting news. So the question becomes: what's the definition of "hacker news", if not a user-submitted aggregator? And where do you define what is and what is not HN-worthy? It's apparently not age-related, nor precedence, nor community, and I don't know how you'd define what's hacker-related and what's not, barring strict, literal "hacks" (and then how about circuit bending to make music?).
schammy 16y ago
It's just the fanboys voting it up. Nothing wrong with being a fanboy, I'm just saying. This news is of no interest to the general community here, except the people who love Apple more than themselves. And apparently, there are quite a few of these people here. I come here to read news about startups, not to indulge in Apple lovefests. If I wanted to do that, I'd be over at TechCrunch.
- pclark 16y ago
  People that blindly hate upon everything Apple is just as bad as people that blindly love Apple.
  - schammy 16y ago
    I'm not hating on Apple. Re-read my posts and tell me one place where I said anything negative about Apple. I'm simply asking a question - why is this news relevant to this community and why do we have to have a top-story post on it every quarter? What use is that to anyone here? And for this simple question, I have lost almost 40 points of karma in the last hour. Thanks everyone. What a great community.
    - Groxx 16y ago
      >Thanks everyone. What a great community. We do what we can to discourage repetitive whining. I'd say it works pretty well, because the site as a whole is remarkably free from it.
    - sorbus 16y ago
      It's just the fanboys; try to ignore them. They downvote anyone who expresses an opinion which they disagree with, or which they think is anti-apple. When the more sane users get to these comments, you'll regain at least a bit of your karma, probably.
    - dman 16y ago
      I do agree that going against the grain isnt very well rewarded on hn (or for most online communities for that matter). But you do have my respect for expanding the discussion space and asking what I think is a legitimate question.

rpledge 16y ago

Regardless of if you're a fanboy or shareholder, you should be interested in emerging and sustaining trends as an entrepreneur

schammy 16y ago
I see no connection between Apple's revenue and emerging/sustaining trends.
- phreanix 16y ago
  Apple's revenue reinforces the belief that proper execution of an emerging trend works, as well as the sustained proper execution of it will keep on working.
- rpledge 16y ago
  That's more of an unfortunate thing on your part, IMO. I take this from it personally: - Mobile is still growing like crazy - People are willing to pay a premium for quality even in tougher economic times - Digital distribution of Music and Software is the future (I left out movies here because Apple doesn't give a detailed breakdown, but I think this is a significant part of the iTunes revenue as well) Information exists everywhere, the truly successful are those that can extract it.
  - schammy 16y ago
    > Mobile is still growing like crazy So if you didn't get a top-story post on Apple's revenue from HN every quarter, you would have no idea how fast mobile is growing? > People are willing to pay a premium for quality even in tougher economic times So? Unless you're in the business of selling expensive hardware - and my guess is that you are not - this is irrelevant. > Digital distribution of Music and Software is the future We're already living in this future. The last time I bought a hard-copy retail version of software was in the 90's, and for music, at least 5 years.
    - rpledge 16y ago

ghshephard 16y ago

Apple has bet a significant portion of their business over the last 12-18 months on a mobile strategy. A very significant portion of the WWDC this year was focused on Mobile. Any developer out there wondering where to direct their energy into a new endeavor (and news.ycombinator.com is a place where such developers congregate, ycombinator being a well known seed fund) would be very interested in seeing Apple's success as an indicator of both the popularity of Apple Products as a development platform, and the mobile environment, in particular. This is big news for the Hacker community that is interested in creating new startups. Clearly, the Apple Ecosystem has both legs and inertia for another quarter. I continue to look forward to Google's, and, oddly enough, Micrsoft's response. I'm guessing we're going to see a lot of Mobile and Tablet news in the next 18 months based on Apple's most recent quarter. Less so on the Cloud - until, of course, Apple has a blowout quarter based on the revenue from their new $1B NC Data Center. :-)

wallflower 16y ago
Good article on how Jobs seriously went all-in on the original iPhone: http://counternotions.com/2008/07/16/bet-iphone/ http://counternotions.com/2008/07/16/bet-iphone/