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That is totally wrong. If you think that China lacks innovation then you clearly have never been there. China is one of the most dynamic capitalistic countries

That is totally wrong. If you think that China lacks innovation then you clearly have never been there. China is one of the most dynamic capitalistic countries in the world and there is no shortage of innovation. Even if then they have 1/3rd the innovators as the US, they still have 40% more innovators than the U.S. Innovation will just happen within the context of Chinese political constraints. The real threat is not to innovators in China, but to the rest of the tech world who are locked out of the Chinese market because of assymetric market conditions.

chaostheory 9y ago
ok, I understand that this is an emotional subject (I can relate), so please re-read the comment that you're responding to. 1. It didn't say China lacks innovation. 2. It is not critical of China as a whole. It is critical of the ones making stupid, selfish laws in China out of fear, which imo will hurt growing innovation in China. 3. If there's no shortage of Chinese innovation, why is there so much fear of 'inferior' outside competition?
- IncRnd 9y ago
  Yet, the comment does say China lacks innovation. > The end result is that China's fate as being relegated to being the world's giant copy machine is sealed unless things revert Why do you think that China has "fear of 'inferior' outside competition"?
  - chaostheory 9y ago
    No the comment says China WILL lose its current momentum for innovation. It’s a prediction of the future It’s pretty evident China fears outside competition when they block competitors from entering their market. They have no confidence in their home grown companies surviving contrary to hard evidence
    - IncRnd 9y ago
      You assume facts not in evidence and write as if your biases are evident as the truth. China has a history of blocking outside influence in order to control the populace, so fear of competition with apps may not be the motivation.
      - chaostheory 9y ago
        Chinese protectionism isn't new and it isn't limited to apps. There's been more than enough written on the subject.
        IncRnd 9y ago
        This article is about an app being blocked in China through protectionism.
        chaostheory 9y ago
        Is there any reason why my arguments should be limited to 1 article even though it's still on the same subject?
musage 9y ago
> Innovation will just happen within the context of Chinese political constraints. I was going to ask who are China's Hannah Arendt et al., but I think that answers it then. So, no meaningful innovation as far as I'm concerned. Just widgets and refining processes and extracting resources and moving money. In the conversation of minds about ideas and ways to live, that's like one hour in one afternoon. It's like a hamster wheel some are forever trapped in. Another revolution of the wheel isn't progress or innovation. Kind of like taking heroin isn't like seeing your child cure cancer.. it's a shit substitute that attaches to receptors that can be used much more meaningful. It's kind of tragic that the best one can say about China is that it repeats the mistakes of the West, without even something like popular rock music, not to mention the Blues. Innovation? Who is the Chinese Jimi Hendrix? Bill Hicks? Not that the man eating machinery of the US can take credit for people who emerged in spite of it, and I bet there's a lot great underground stuff in China (there is Chinese punk, for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fseb62y_Vmc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fseb62y_Vmc ). But on the shiny toothpaste commercial level it's being discussed here? There's nothing, there's a gaping, howling absence of anything worth any of the murder and destruction of the mind entailed by totalitarian control. None of those "achievements" justify even a single peasant clubbed to death. Those who don't know that, in the West or East or on the moon, are still just cavemen in jet planes.

chaostheory 9y ago

ok, I understand that this is an emotional subject (I can relate), so please re-read the comment that you're responding to. 1. It didn't say China lacks innovation. 2. It is not critical of China as a whole. It is critical of the ones making stupid, selfish laws in China out of fear, which imo will hurt growing innovation in China. 3. If there's no shortage of Chinese innovation, why is there so much fear of 'inferior' outside competition?

IncRnd 9y ago
Yet, the comment does say China lacks innovation. > The end result is that China's fate as being relegated to being the world's giant copy machine is sealed unless things revert Why do you think that China has "fear of 'inferior' outside competition"?
- chaostheory 9y ago
  No the comment says China WILL lose its current momentum for innovation. It’s a prediction of the future It’s pretty evident China fears outside competition when they block competitors from entering their market. They have no confidence in their home grown companies surviving contrary to hard evidence
  - IncRnd 9y ago
    You assume facts not in evidence and write as if your biases are evident as the truth. China has a history of blocking outside influence in order to control the populace, so fear of competition with apps may not be the motivation.
    - chaostheory 9y ago
      Chinese protectionism isn't new and it isn't limited to apps. There's been more than enough written on the subject.
      - IncRnd 9y ago
        This article is about an app being blocked in China through protectionism.
        chaostheory 9y ago
        Is there any reason why my arguments should be limited to 1 article even though it's still on the same subject?

musage 9y ago

> Innovation will just happen within the context of Chinese political constraints. I was going to ask who are China's Hannah Arendt et al., but I think that answers it then. So, no meaningful innovation as far as I'm concerned. Just widgets and refining processes and extracting resources and moving money. In the conversation of minds about ideas and ways to live, that's like one hour in one afternoon. It's like a hamster wheel some are forever trapped in. Another revolution of the wheel isn't progress or innovation. Kind of like taking heroin isn't like seeing your child cure cancer.. it's a shit substitute that attaches to receptors that can be used much more meaningful. It's kind of tragic that the best one can say about China is that it repeats the mistakes of the West, without even something like popular rock music, not to mention the Blues. Innovation? Who is the Chinese Jimi Hendrix? Bill Hicks? Not that the man eating machinery of the US can take credit for people who emerged in spite of it, and I bet there's a lot great underground stuff in China (there is Chinese punk, for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fseb62y_Vmc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fseb62y_Vmc ). But on the shiny toothpaste commercial level it's being discussed here? There's nothing, there's a gaping, howling absence of anything worth any of the murder and destruction of the mind entailed by totalitarian control. None of those "achievements" justify even a single peasant clubbed to death. Those who don't know that, in the West or East or on the moon, are still just cavemen in jet planes.