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> Women take on more work too, it is just not paid work Well, yes. I did say "take care of their kids". As for paid vs unpaid work, see:: http://stats.oecd

by adekok 9y ago

> Women take on more work too, it is just not paid work Well, yes. I did say "take care of their kids". As for paid vs unpaid work, see:: http://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=54757 http://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=54757 In most western countries, men and women do roughly the same amount of total work. For men, more paid than unpaid. For women, the other way around. So again, just focussing on "women have it bad" misses a big part of the picture. > I am aware that there are two sides to this story and men have their own concerns Apparently not. > But, the open hostility towards women you are displaying ... is a self-serving lie. > Your pattern of comments here looks pretty toxic to me I acknowledge your position, agree that you deserve alimony, express caution that showing one side of the picture isn't a good approach, and show how the choices men and women make each have their pros and cons. You show one side of the story, and express shock and outrage that someone dare bring up the other side. And then you call me hostile and toxic? Please, that's just pathetic.

Mz 9y ago
> Women take on more work too, it is just not paid work Well, yes. I did say "take care of their kids". This is what you originally said: Once people get married and have kids, men take on additional work to pay for their kids. Women take on less work to take care of their kids. You did not say that women do less paid work. You said they take on less work. This framing implicitly suggests that women's work isn't really work. This seems to be a common societal default assumption and that deeply held belief helps drive the feminization of poverty because the mental model is that women's work isn't real work and doesn't really deserve compensation. The rest of your comment is simply gratuitously ugly, so I am done here.
- adekok 9y ago
  > You did not say that women do less paid work. I also did not say that MEN do more paid work. Somehow, you didn't make that insinuation. You only made one towards women, and it was negative. In poker, this is known as a "tell". Any rational person would make the assumption that I was talking about paid work in both cases. Yet your conclusion was that I was saying something nefarious about women, while ignoring that the same logic would also apply to men. The problem is that your position is female-centric. You see any discussion of mens issues as hostile and toxic. You demand that any discussion of womens issues cannot question basic assumptions. You take calm, even-handed comments as hating women. It must be scary to live in such a hate-filled world.
  - Blackthorn 9y ago
    You said: > Once people get married and have kids, men take on additional work to pay for their kids. You now claim: > I also did not say that MEN do more paid work. ???
    - adekok 9y ago
      If she's going to nit-pick and take twisted interpretations, I can use the same style of nit-picking to create twisted interpretations. Pointing out that such interpretations are twisted is redundant. Yes, I know they're twisted. That was the point FFS. I'll also note you don't seem to have a problem with her twisted interpretation of things. Which is the hypocrisy I was trying to point out. I mean honestly... read this quote: Once people get married and have kids, men take on additional work to pay for their kids. Women take on less work to take care of their kids. and try to explain how any rational person would conclude I was somehow nefariously assuming that women were not doing paid work.

by adekok 9y ago

Mz 9y ago

> Women take on more work too, it is just not paid work Well, yes. I did say "take care of their kids". This is what you originally said: Once people get married and have kids, men take on additional work to pay for their kids. Women take on less work to take care of their kids. You did not say that women do less paid work. You said they take on less work. This framing implicitly suggests that women's work isn't really work. This seems to be a common societal default assumption and that deeply held belief helps drive the feminization of poverty because the mental model is that women's work isn't real work and doesn't really deserve compensation. The rest of your comment is simply gratuitously ugly, so I am done here.

adekok 9y ago
> You did not say that women do less paid work. I also did not say that MEN do more paid work. Somehow, you didn't make that insinuation. You only made one towards women, and it was negative. In poker, this is known as a "tell". Any rational person would make the assumption that I was talking about paid work in both cases. Yet your conclusion was that I was saying something nefarious about women, while ignoring that the same logic would also apply to men. The problem is that your position is female-centric. You see any discussion of mens issues as hostile and toxic. You demand that any discussion of womens issues cannot question basic assumptions. You take calm, even-handed comments as hating women. It must be scary to live in such a hate-filled world.
- Blackthorn 9y ago
  You said: > Once people get married and have kids, men take on additional work to pay for their kids. You now claim: > I also did not say that MEN do more paid work. ???
  - adekok 9y ago
    If she's going to nit-pick and take twisted interpretations, I can use the same style of nit-picking to create twisted interpretations. Pointing out that such interpretations are twisted is redundant. Yes, I know they're twisted. That was the point FFS. I'll also note you don't seem to have a problem with her twisted interpretation of things. Which is the hypocrisy I was trying to point out. I mean honestly... read this quote: Once people get married and have kids, men take on additional work to pay for their kids. Women take on less work to take care of their kids. and try to explain how any rational person would conclude I was somehow nefariously assuming that women were not doing paid work.