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> So if the strategy is have-our-cake-and-eat-it-too why does the rest of the world play along? As opposed to what? Economic sanctions have a wonderfully consi

> So if the strategy is have-our-cake-and-eat-it-too why does the rest of the world play along? As opposed to what? Economic sanctions have a wonderfully consistent track record of making things worse for everyone. China is too powerful for 'destroy the country and slaughter its people in a fit of pique' to work the way it did in Libya and Syria, which is just as well because that also makes things worse for everyone. The one thing that consistently works well is to maintain a free society and demonstrate a better alternative by example. Okay, granted, we should be doing more of that.

mahyarm 9y ago
Unique tit-for-tat regulations of Chinese companies of what is shown in practice? "Our companies don't have freedoms X,Y,Z vs Chinese corps in china, so Chinese corps and investors will get the same special treatment in our country too".
- rwallace 9y ago
  On an ethical level, you're hurting people (e.g. Chinese workers) who had no part in the objectionable actions that prompted this. On a practical level, are there any cases in history where this has ever produced beneficial results?
  - elefanten 9y ago
    But like you said, something more probably has to be done. Or else consider the case where the authoritarian model is perceived to have "won" and gets exported. That's also part of the ethical consideration. Taking a measure such as gp's suggestion, which is at least fair and on face justifiable, may be the most just move. And given the particularity of this case, history probably doesn't have a huge sample size. New contexts emerge, such as technological development. It's much more conceivable now than before that a small group of people could indefinitely hold power over the overwhelming majority.
  - mahyarm 9y ago
    China's is also hurting people with their behavior towards foreign companies in China in similar ways. Not to mention all the abuse china afflicts on it's own people with their power politics. When someone is abusing you don't roll over, you create boundaries and walk away if they are violated. And what is good about this practice is china has the power to stop this by treating everyone equally. Your not forcing things on china and you say you will stop when they stop.
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mahyarm 9y ago

Unique tit-for-tat regulations of Chinese companies of what is shown in practice? "Our companies don't have freedoms X,Y,Z vs Chinese corps in china, so Chinese corps and investors will get the same special treatment in our country too".

rwallace 9y ago
On an ethical level, you're hurting people (e.g. Chinese workers) who had no part in the objectionable actions that prompted this. On a practical level, are there any cases in history where this has ever produced beneficial results?
- elefanten 9y ago
  But like you said, something more probably has to be done. Or else consider the case where the authoritarian model is perceived to have "won" and gets exported. That's also part of the ethical consideration. Taking a measure such as gp's suggestion, which is at least fair and on face justifiable, may be the most just move. And given the particularity of this case, history probably doesn't have a huge sample size. New contexts emerge, such as technological development. It's much more conceivable now than before that a small group of people could indefinitely hold power over the overwhelming majority.
- mahyarm 9y ago
  China's is also hurting people with their behavior towards foreign companies in China in similar ways. Not to mention all the abuse china afflicts on it's own people with their power politics. When someone is abusing you don't roll over, you create boundaries and walk away if they are violated. And what is good about this practice is china has the power to stop this by treating everyone equally. Your not forcing things on china and you say you will stop when they stop.

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