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> The amount of Chinese students that are publishing... That's the thing. These are mostly overseas Chinese working for US/European companies who have no desi

> The amount of Chinese students that are publishing... That's the thing. These are mostly overseas Chinese working for US/European companies who have no desire to return to China. Talk to any of them, and they're always concerned about the status of their visa and are ecstatic when they become a citizen of a democracy. > China isn't 'Closing up' they are pushing people to use the services Tencent and Baidu are used by tiny tiny tiny portions of westerners > Unless the US, Canada, France, Israel etc... closes the visa program There's no need, these Chinese students are staying and not returning to China. By the way, since you think China is doing such a good job of education: remember that Rural households have a per capita income of only 9,892 yuan – about $4 dollars a day. and there's 680 million of these rural households still. "Surveys by Rozelle's team have found that more than half of eighth graders in poor rural areas in China have IQs below 90, leaving them struggling to keep up with the fast-paced official curriculum" http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/09/one-three-chinese-children-faces-education-apocalypse-ambitious-experiment-hopes-save http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/09/one-three-chinese-chi...

AndrewKemendo 9y ago
Tencent and Baidu are used by tiny tiny tiny portions of westerners That doesn't matter - they are focused on China and Asia. To think that they can't innovate inside the borders and with a significant number of people inside other companies and abroad is just putting blinders on. since you think China is doing such a good job of education Whoa, never said that. Mainland domestic policies for 1.7B (non official number) people are mediocre at best.
FabHK 9y ago
> who have no desire to return to China. My understanding was that increasingly, overseas students are returning to China? (known as "hai gui", sea turtles) See e.g. http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-03/18/content_23931407.htm http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-03/18/content_239314...
- idra 9y ago
  This is because they can't find jobs abroad and can't even speak a foreign language properly after spending their undergrad years in a Chinese international student bubble. Quoting China Daily is irrelevant because it's a propaganda mouthpiece of the CCP.
whooshee 9y ago
That's not true, more and more students are coming back to China after they finish their education in the West. Not imaginable 20 years ago. Some PhDs are tapping the 1000plan.

AndrewKemendo 9y ago

Tencent and Baidu are used by tiny tiny tiny portions of westerners That doesn't matter - they are focused on China and Asia. To think that they can't innovate inside the borders and with a significant number of people inside other companies and abroad is just putting blinders on. since you think China is doing such a good job of education Whoa, never said that. Mainland domestic policies for 1.7B (non official number) people are mediocre at best.

FabHK 9y ago

> who have no desire to return to China. My understanding was that increasingly, overseas students are returning to China? (known as "hai gui", sea turtles) See e.g. http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-03/18/content_23931407.htm http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-03/18/content_239314...

idra 9y ago
This is because they can't find jobs abroad and can't even speak a foreign language properly after spending their undergrad years in a Chinese international student bubble. Quoting China Daily is irrelevant because it's a propaganda mouthpiece of the CCP.

whooshee 9y ago

That's not true, more and more students are coming back to China after they finish their education in the West. Not imaginable 20 years ago. Some PhDs are tapping the 1000plan.