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Can you rephrase what you said? Whenever I see "SJW" or "virtue signaling" in a post, I immediately stop reading and move on. Those terms are meaningless to tho

Can you rephrase what you said? Whenever I see "SJW" or "virtue signaling" in a post, I immediately stop reading and move on. Those terms are meaningless to those who don't subscribe to the groupthink of a devout cult of sheltered sexists.

marcoperaza 9y ago
There is no other word to describe the groups behind the wave of petty but vicious activism in the last decade or so. The people calling for "safe spaces" and trigger warnings, literally shaking from micro-aggressions, trying to ruin people's careers for holding common opinions, and always claiming to be the victims of some -ism. What would you call them?
- eesmith 9y ago
  Calling for a safe spaces? "Trump demands safe space for Mike Pence after he was booed at Hamilton" - https://news.avclub.com/trump-demands-safe-space-for-mike-pence-after-he-was-bo-1798254655 https://news.avclub.com/trump-demands-safe-space-for-mike-pe... ("The Theater must always be a safe and special place.The cast of Hamilton was very rude last night to a very good man, Mike Pence. Apologize!") Trying to ruin someone's career? "Donald Trump Casually Threatens To ‘Destroy’ The Career Of State Lawmaker" who promoted asset forfeiture reform. - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-destroy-state-lawmaker_us_5899fde8e4b09bd304bdd5b9 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-destroy-state-lawm... . I believe most people are for forfeiture reform. Or more recently, "Wouldn't you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, 'Get that son of a b---- off the field right now. Out," Trump said amid applause. "He's fired. He's fired!" - https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-protests-donald-trump-a-team-by-team-look-at-week-3-national-anthem-protests/ https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-protests-donald-trump... . This form of silent protest against discrimination is increasingly common. Always claiming to be a victim (though not from some -ism)? "Trump claims to be victim of ‘witch hunt’ following appointment of special counsel in Russia case" - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/05/18/trump-claims-to-be-victim-of-witch-hunt-following-appointment-of-special-counsel-in-russia-case/?utm_term=.83c7b49b90a6 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/05... "Trump on sex assault allegations: 'I am a victim'" - http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/14/politics/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations/index.html http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/14/politics/donald-trump-sexu... ("As you have seen, I am a victim of one of the great political smear campaigns in the history of our country") "Trump paints himself as the real victim of Charlottesville in angry speech" - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/23/donald-trump-arizona-rally-phoenix https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/23/donald-trump... "Trump: IRS audits me because I’m a “strong Christian”" - https://hotair.com/archives/2016/02/26/trump-irs-audits-me-because-im-a-strong-christian/ https://hotair.com/archives/2016/02/26/trump-irs-audits-me-b... Is Trump an SJW?
  - metaphorm 9y ago
    Trump is deliberately using the language and tactics of his political enemies against them in a kind of counter-trolling demagoguery. This is ugly stuff. The discourse has descended to the level where the media is dominated by two different groups of extremist trolls taking potshots at each other using the language of outrage and grievance. The rest of us are caught in the middle and our society is becoming deranged as a result.
    - eesmith 9y ago
      How can you tell? Perhaps he's using the language because he really thinks it's meaningful? How do you know there isn't only one group of extremist trolls? If two groups disagree, they don't have to be balanced yin and yang. If two groups disagree, the real answer doesn't have to lie in the middle. In the 1850s US, there were pro-slavers and anti-slavers. Who was in the middle, and were they right? But hey, I watch Democracy Now, 'cause I think the the real problems are corporate owned media and media centralization. At the very least, DN doesn't dominate the media.
      - metaphorm 9y ago
        > In the 1850s US, there were pro-slavers and anti-slavers. Who was in the middle, and were they right? Abraham Lincoln
        eesmith 9y ago
        And was he right? Because he seems to have changed his mind.
        metaphorm 9y ago
        was he right? he's one of the most historically examined leaders of all time and we still don't know. In the present we have the benefit of hindsight and can more easily see that war was inevitable and we might even think Lincoln was foolish to initially pursue a policy that sought to avoid war. Was that so obvious in his own time though? Lincoln did change his mind but he seems to have changed it not because he had an epiphany about the evil of slavery, but because he became convinced during the war that it would be a total war and not a containable skirmish. once that logic was in play the Emancipation Proclamation made sense to issue. It also bolstered his support with abolitionists. Today we have no ambiguity about the evil of slavery and view it as one of the greatest moral failings in our history and a legacy we are continuing to face down and one which has caused huge misery for millions of African-Americans. Even with this modern perspective, it's hard to view Lincoln as anything other than a conflicted man trying to weigh very heavy decisions indeed. So I dunno if he was right. I don't think Lincoln knew in his own time and I don't think we will ever be able to adequately judge. We know what happened but we don't know what else could have or should have happened instead.
metaphorm 9y ago
you just reflexively accused someone of being a sexist on no evidence
- micheljones 9y ago
  Thereby proving the OP's point. lol.
- krisdol 9y ago
  for what it's worth, I was poking fun at the knucklehead I was responding to, because they said this in a branch of the same thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15332975 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15332975
IncRnd 9y ago
Can you rephrase what you said? Whenever I see "devout cult of sheltered sexists" in a post, I immediately stop reading and move on. Those terms are meaningless to those who don't subscribe to the groupthink that you mentioned.
- krisdol 9y ago
  Is it rude to say whoosh on hn?
- krisdol 9y ago
  for what it's worth, I was poking fun at the knucklehead I was responding to, because they said this in a branch of the same thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15332975 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15332975

marcoperaza 9y ago

There is no other word to describe the groups behind the wave of petty but vicious activism in the last decade or so. The people calling for "safe spaces" and trigger warnings, literally shaking from micro-aggressions, trying to ruin people's careers for holding common opinions, and always claiming to be the victims of some -ism. What would you call them?

eesmith 9y ago
Calling for a safe spaces? "Trump demands safe space for Mike Pence after he was booed at Hamilton" - https://news.avclub.com/trump-demands-safe-space-for-mike-pence-after-he-was-bo-1798254655 https://news.avclub.com/trump-demands-safe-space-for-mike-pe... ("The Theater must always be a safe and special place.The cast of Hamilton was very rude last night to a very good man, Mike Pence. Apologize!") Trying to ruin someone's career? "Donald Trump Casually Threatens To ‘Destroy’ The Career Of State Lawmaker" who promoted asset forfeiture reform. - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-destroy-state-lawmaker_us_5899fde8e4b09bd304bdd5b9 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-destroy-state-lawm... . I believe most people are for forfeiture reform. Or more recently, "Wouldn't you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, 'Get that son of a b---- off the field right now. Out," Trump said amid applause. "He's fired. He's fired!" - https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-protests-donald-trump-a-team-by-team-look-at-week-3-national-anthem-protests/ https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-protests-donald-trump... . This form of silent protest against discrimination is increasingly common. Always claiming to be a victim (though not from some -ism)? "Trump claims to be victim of ‘witch hunt’ following appointment of special counsel in Russia case" - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/05/18/trump-claims-to-be-victim-of-witch-hunt-following-appointment-of-special-counsel-in-russia-case/?utm_term=.83c7b49b90a6 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/05... "Trump on sex assault allegations: 'I am a victim'" - http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/14/politics/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations/index.html http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/14/politics/donald-trump-sexu... ("As you have seen, I am a victim of one of the great political smear campaigns in the history of our country") "Trump paints himself as the real victim of Charlottesville in angry speech" - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/23/donald-trump-arizona-rally-phoenix https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/23/donald-trump... "Trump: IRS audits me because I’m a “strong Christian”" - https://hotair.com/archives/2016/02/26/trump-irs-audits-me-because-im-a-strong-christian/ https://hotair.com/archives/2016/02/26/trump-irs-audits-me-b... Is Trump an SJW?
- metaphorm 9y ago
  Trump is deliberately using the language and tactics of his political enemies against them in a kind of counter-trolling demagoguery. This is ugly stuff. The discourse has descended to the level where the media is dominated by two different groups of extremist trolls taking potshots at each other using the language of outrage and grievance. The rest of us are caught in the middle and our society is becoming deranged as a result.
  - eesmith 9y ago
    How can you tell? Perhaps he's using the language because he really thinks it's meaningful? How do you know there isn't only one group of extremist trolls? If two groups disagree, they don't have to be balanced yin and yang. If two groups disagree, the real answer doesn't have to lie in the middle. In the 1850s US, there were pro-slavers and anti-slavers. Who was in the middle, and were they right? But hey, I watch Democracy Now, 'cause I think the the real problems are corporate owned media and media centralization. At the very least, DN doesn't dominate the media.
    - metaphorm 9y ago
      > In the 1850s US, there were pro-slavers and anti-slavers. Who was in the middle, and were they right? Abraham Lincoln
      - eesmith 9y ago
        And was he right? Because he seems to have changed his mind.
        metaphorm 9y ago
        was he right? he's one of the most historically examined leaders of all time and we still don't know. In the present we have the benefit of hindsight and can more easily see that war was inevitable and we might even think Lincoln was foolish to initially pursue a policy that sought to avoid war. Was that so obvious in his own time though? Lincoln did change his mind but he seems to have changed it not because he had an epiphany about the evil of slavery, but because he became convinced during the war that it would be a total war and not a containable skirmish. once that logic was in play the Emancipation Proclamation made sense to issue. It also bolstered his support with abolitionists. Today we have no ambiguity about the evil of slavery and view it as one of the greatest moral failings in our history and a legacy we are continuing to face down and one which has caused huge misery for millions of African-Americans. Even with this modern perspective, it's hard to view Lincoln as anything other than a conflicted man trying to weigh very heavy decisions indeed. So I dunno if he was right. I don't think Lincoln knew in his own time and I don't think we will ever be able to adequately judge. We know what happened but we don't know what else could have or should have happened instead.

metaphorm 9y ago

you just reflexively accused someone of being a sexist on no evidence

micheljones 9y ago
Thereby proving the OP's point. lol.
krisdol 9y ago
for what it's worth, I was poking fun at the knucklehead I was responding to, because they said this in a branch of the same thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15332975 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15332975

IncRnd 9y ago

Can you rephrase what you said? Whenever I see "devout cult of sheltered sexists" in a post, I immediately stop reading and move on. Those terms are meaningless to those who don't subscribe to the groupthink that you mentioned.

krisdol 9y ago
Is it rude to say whoosh on hn?
krisdol 9y ago
for what it's worth, I was poking fun at the knucklehead I was responding to, because they said this in a branch of the same thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15332975 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15332975