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An individual's free speech and privacy rights are very dangerous to governing bodies. Hence, they require significant effort to protect.

onli 9y ago
And that's also why authoritarian regimes always undermine them. Anti-terror laws such as that are an attack on human rights and our freedom. A justice system enforcing them is not acting in accordance with what is good and what is right. The law itself in unlawful, and if the system were healthy it would resist. It is not.
- pmoriarty 9y ago
  Do you think the censorship of Mein Kampf, the anti-hate speech laws, and the illegality of Holocaust denial in some parts of Europe have authoritarian motives?
  - onli 9y ago
    Motives? It is sometimes needed to balance rights. We need to fight nazism, therefor we need to forbid those things. But that's not happening here, there is no balance being stuck. There is just "remove all characteristics of a legal system" (Rechtsstaatlichkeit) on the one side, and the gain is "have the means for absolute power". Edit: I feel that question leans too much into pure politics, and was hesitant answering. The link with HN is that the story is also about criminalizing encryption. Mein Kampf, not so much linked.
  - KGIII 9y ago
    Yes, it is authoritarian but it is authoritarianism that some people have justified and like.
    - zo1 9y ago
      "Some" being the key-word there. I wonder how it'll go if it were put down to a referendum on that one, singular issue. Without politics, parties, and candidates to muddy the water.
      - KGIII 9y ago
        A recent poll had 40% of "millenniums" that didn't think that the 1st Amendment covered "hate speech." Though, I'm not really sure you can remove politics from the question and I doubt candidates and parties would not be involved, even if they have to force their way into the issue.
    - snakeanus 9y ago
      All forms of authoritarianism are justified by some.
  - kelnos 9y ago
    Of course it does. It's censorship and authoritarianism that the majority of people there seem to be ok with, and perhaps actively like, but that doesn't change what it is.
  - snakeanus 9y ago
    I would argue that this is the case indeed.

onli 9y ago

And that's also why authoritarian regimes always undermine them. Anti-terror laws such as that are an attack on human rights and our freedom. A justice system enforcing them is not acting in accordance with what is good and what is right. The law itself in unlawful, and if the system were healthy it would resist. It is not.

pmoriarty 9y ago
Do you think the censorship of Mein Kampf, the anti-hate speech laws, and the illegality of Holocaust denial in some parts of Europe have authoritarian motives?
- onli 9y ago
  Motives? It is sometimes needed to balance rights. We need to fight nazism, therefor we need to forbid those things. But that's not happening here, there is no balance being stuck. There is just "remove all characteristics of a legal system" (Rechtsstaatlichkeit) on the one side, and the gain is "have the means for absolute power". Edit: I feel that question leans too much into pure politics, and was hesitant answering. The link with HN is that the story is also about criminalizing encryption. Mein Kampf, not so much linked.
- KGIII 9y ago
  Yes, it is authoritarian but it is authoritarianism that some people have justified and like.
  - zo1 9y ago
    "Some" being the key-word there. I wonder how it'll go if it were put down to a referendum on that one, singular issue. Without politics, parties, and candidates to muddy the water.
    - KGIII 9y ago
      A recent poll had 40% of "millenniums" that didn't think that the 1st Amendment covered "hate speech." Though, I'm not really sure you can remove politics from the question and I doubt candidates and parties would not be involved, even if they have to force their way into the issue.
  - snakeanus 9y ago
    All forms of authoritarianism are justified by some.
- kelnos 9y ago
  Of course it does. It's censorship and authoritarianism that the majority of people there seem to be ok with, and perhaps actively like, but that doesn't change what it is.
- snakeanus 9y ago
  I would argue that this is the case indeed.