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I don't really like badges the way the article's system is designed (this coming form a guy whose startup is about helping sites gives users points and badges).
by ryanelkins 16y ago
I don't really like badges the way the article's system is designed (this coming form a guy whose startup is about helping sites gives users points and badges). A big part of the kickback that I see from people on here has to do with turning Hacker News into something that gets "played". I prefer a system where you can recognize and reward users for their individual participation. For it to avoid gaminess (in the bad sense of the term) it needs to be about milestones that are meaningful and further the goals of the site.
In other words, a badge for 10 submissions, 50 submissions, 100 submissions, etc., etc., would not be a good system as it could encourage people to spam. A reward for 10 submissions, each with at least 15 up votes, while not perfect, is a little better.
All of this belies the point that HN is not really a great candidate for a badge system. There just isn't enough to do. A user can submit, comment, vote, and flag. That just isn't enough actions to build a compelling system around. I do think that contextual reputation could be a good thing - if reading comments on an article about scalability, knowing that a user has posted quality comments or articles about the topic in the past helps me to weigh the value of the current comment. HN isn't really set up for this though. So, as much as I'd love pg to call me up and ask about integrating IActionable into HN, I don't think it would really be a great idea at this time.
- alextp 16y agoWhat you describe is the h-index ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-index http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-index ). It is one of the fairest ways of measuring merit, but for most social sites it has the problem of being too fair. If you're maintaining a site like stackoverflow or reddit, you want lots of comments, and it is better to reward lots of marginally interesting comments than a few really insightful ones (since a lot of marginally interesting comments will make people come all the time to check for more and find new things to entertain themselves, keeping them at the site looking at ads, etc). Maybe HN could display the h index of a user instead of his/her karma.
- ryanelkins 16y agoWhile that might work on a small scale, I think at larger scales it starts to just turn into excessive noise. It also becomes hard to distinguish between "marginally interesting" and "karma whoring". I think long term its much better to encourage the behaviors you want. Besides, you can always lower the threshold for "interesting". The point is to encourage the creation of good content and ignore (as far as rewards go) the creation of bad content. The h-index stuff is interesting, though, and I'll definitely be looking in to it some more.