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We have many factions in the US, some more short-sighted or zealous than others. There certainly are citizens of the US who feel that unquestioning compliance

We have many factions in the US, some more short-sighted or zealous than others. There certainly are citizens of the US who feel that unquestioning compliance with authority is paramount above all other concerns, including long-term economic effects.

tyfon 9y ago
They must be very short-sighted, even a dotard should be able to understand what happens if you remove large sections of a companies market overnight. I mean, we would have to pull out of azure completely. Today we spend millions of kroner there every year. It would also leave a very sour taste for going back to US based companies if this is rectified at a later stage of fear of a similar event.
- craftyguy 9y ago
  Our El Dotart, and his old fat friends, probably won't be alive long enough to realize any long term economic damage due to these types of decisions. What motivation do the self-centered have to think beyond their lifetimes?
  - andrew-lucker 9y ago
    This isn't climate science, we could see the economic effect immediately. That is simple enough for most people to draw a connection. I think the problem is more that some people want to hurt the US IT industry for political gain.
    - craftyguy 9y ago
      I disagree on how 'soon' the effect can be 'seen.' Any adverse effects would be rhetoric'd away by those in power at the moment. Their supporters would not 'see' (or if they did, acknowledge) any bad effects, and those in power would likely find another scapegoat. It's only after they are out that their supporters might (but no guarantees..) understand what happened. There will always be folks who can see through the bullshit, I wasn't referring to those good people in my original comment.
    - vixen99 9y ago
      You mean quickly as in the global temperature warming from roughly 1.53 degrees Fahrenheit (0.85 degrees Celsius) from 1880 to 2012?
- stanfordkid 9y ago
  Luckily US companies are much more nimble than their government. Most major companies have European branches and subsidiaries specifically for the purposes of ensuring international compliance and skirting around such legislative issues. We certainly poured a huge amount of engineering effort to make sure we had data centers that were EU compliant and completely bifurcated from our US datacenters.
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  - Eridrus 9y ago
    You would have to show that the EU entity is not under the control of the US entity before the court. I don't see how you could get there without a fully separate entity that is not owned by the same parent company. Not to say it's not doable, AmaGooSoft are certainly capable of pulling it off, but you've got to be pretty convinced you're leaving a LOT of money in the table by not doing so. I predict EU firms will get over it unless there are regulatory reasons they can't. Any EU company with a US presence is already vulnerable to DoJ lawsuits and can be directly compelled.
    - tyfon 9y ago
      Regulatory reasons. Just to demonstrate the kind of hell we have to go through (today) when we look at cloud services for storing personal data. This is the recommended checklist from the Data Protection Authority in Norway when look at new cloud sources. By default we can't use anything outside the EEA, however there have been some agreements with e.g. US (safe harbour). This ruling will effectively eliminate the safe harbour agreements the EU/EEA has with the US. https://www.datatilsynet.no/en/regulations-and-tools/guidelines/cloud-computing/checklist/ https://www.datatilsynet.no/en/regulations-and-tools/guideli...

tyfon 9y ago

They must be very short-sighted, even a dotard should be able to understand what happens if you remove large sections of a companies market overnight. I mean, we would have to pull out of azure completely. Today we spend millions of kroner there every year. It would also leave a very sour taste for going back to US based companies if this is rectified at a later stage of fear of a similar event.

craftyguy 9y ago
Our El Dotart, and his old fat friends, probably won't be alive long enough to realize any long term economic damage due to these types of decisions. What motivation do the self-centered have to think beyond their lifetimes?
- andrew-lucker 9y ago
  This isn't climate science, we could see the economic effect immediately. That is simple enough for most people to draw a connection. I think the problem is more that some people want to hurt the US IT industry for political gain.
  - craftyguy 9y ago
    I disagree on how 'soon' the effect can be 'seen.' Any adverse effects would be rhetoric'd away by those in power at the moment. Their supporters would not 'see' (or if they did, acknowledge) any bad effects, and those in power would likely find another scapegoat. It's only after they are out that their supporters might (but no guarantees..) understand what happened. There will always be folks who can see through the bullshit, I wasn't referring to those good people in my original comment.
  - vixen99 9y ago
    You mean quickly as in the global temperature warming from roughly 1.53 degrees Fahrenheit (0.85 degrees Celsius) from 1880 to 2012?
stanfordkid 9y ago
Luckily US companies are much more nimble than their government. Most major companies have European branches and subsidiaries specifically for the purposes of ensuring international compliance and skirting around such legislative issues. We certainly poured a huge amount of engineering effort to make sure we had data centers that were EU compliant and completely bifurcated from our US datacenters.
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- Eridrus 9y ago
  You would have to show that the EU entity is not under the control of the US entity before the court. I don't see how you could get there without a fully separate entity that is not owned by the same parent company. Not to say it's not doable, AmaGooSoft are certainly capable of pulling it off, but you've got to be pretty convinced you're leaving a LOT of money in the table by not doing so. I predict EU firms will get over it unless there are regulatory reasons they can't. Any EU company with a US presence is already vulnerable to DoJ lawsuits and can be directly compelled.
  - tyfon 9y ago
    Regulatory reasons. Just to demonstrate the kind of hell we have to go through (today) when we look at cloud services for storing personal data. This is the recommended checklist from the Data Protection Authority in Norway when look at new cloud sources. By default we can't use anything outside the EEA, however there have been some agreements with e.g. US (safe harbour). This ruling will effectively eliminate the safe harbour agreements the EU/EEA has with the US. https://www.datatilsynet.no/en/regulations-and-tools/guidelines/cloud-computing/checklist/ https://www.datatilsynet.no/en/regulations-and-tools/guideli...