> "Developers are almost never included in those stages." That's not been my experience. I've seen business analysts working closely with developers to scope o

> "Developers are almost never included in those stages." That's not been my experience. I've seen business analysts working closely with developers to scope out what's needed and find the the best way forward, before the coding is due to start. For all the the apparent negatives of waterfall, I've seen that it can work quite well, when it's used correctly.