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Why is Evergreen still getting a single cent of public money? This attitude doesn't educate people or serve any public interest.

wallace_f 9y ago
Academia. 'Anti Whiteness is pro humanity,' according to a professor teaching a course "The Problem with Whiteness," who UW Madison defends[0]. "In this class, we will ask what an ethical white identity entails, what it means to be #woke, and consider the journal Race Traitor's motto, 'treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity" Any professor teaching anti-(any other race'ness') would be instantly a pariah and unable to keep a job. http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/23/health/college-course-white-controversy-irpt-trnd/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/23/health/college-course-white-co... I have a question. When I grew up I heard 'colorblindness' was a good thing. What happened to that? It appears we are going in the opposite direction.
- Blackthorn 9y ago
  > Any professor teaching anti-(any other race'ness') would be instantly a pariah and unable to keep a job. Whiteness isn't really a race, so that's not the same thing. In America, it's been a social construct whose members have shifted over the years. > I have a question. When I grew up I heard 'colorblindness' was a good thing. What happened to that? It appears we are going in the opposite direction. People started to realize that it ignores the lived experience of black people.
  - wallace_f 9y ago
    I feel like I don't understand this. Consider the hypothetical courses: "the problem with Jewishness," or "the problem with Blackness." Are those at all acceptable? I am certain they are not! So what is acceptable about "the problem with Whiteness?" I think you are saying that Whites do not constitute a race in the same way that Blacks do?? Does that make sense?
    - Blackthorn 9y ago
      > So what is acceptable about "the problem with Whiteness?" You got the answer yourself: > I think you are saying that Whites do not constitute a race in the same way that Blacks do?? Does that make sense?
      - dmix 9y ago
        They don't seem to be making a cultural distinction here by calling it only "whiteness". A dynamic that both racists and rabid anti-racists so often ignore to their own detriment. Culture is the issue. And by bypassing that and focusing on race it instantly makes the conversation taboo and kills any progress through conversation and public discourse. This happens often in society and it's a shame, especially when cultural defects result in oppression or mass inter-community violence. These are serious problems that can't be addressed honestly.
        Blackthorn 9y ago
        I'm not certain I understand your objection. The point is that whiteness in America isn't a race at all; it's a social construction made to exclude people that the in-group at the time didn't like, like Irish (who were not considered white until, gradually, they were). Where does culture enter into this?
        abiox 9y ago
        i think irish being not-white (and a number of similar propositions) is either ahistorical or equivocating in some manner. where irish ever required to use 'colored' restrooms? did anti-miscegenation laws outlaw 'white and irish' marriage or sexual relations? consider that 'paddy wagon' is a term from irish association with policework in the 1800s... does it seem likely that 'white' citizens of that time would be content with 'non-whites' arresting them and carting them off to jail or court?
        Blackthorn 9y ago
  - meri_dian 9y ago
    Colorblindness is the only way to live in a multicultural society. How does it ignore the experiences of 'black' people?
    - Blackthorn 9y ago
      > Colorblindness is the only way to live in a multicultural society. No, it's not. > How does it ignore the experiences of 'black' people? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/26/do-not-see-race-ignoring-racism-not-helping https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/26/do-not...
      - meri_dian 9y ago
        I don't think you understand the philosophy of colorblindness. We can't expect everyone to treat everyone else identically, but we can expect everyone to treat everyone else with respect. Colorblindness advocates that while you may subconsciously classify people into different groups, you shouldn't let that classification get in the way of evaluating a person as an individual. The problem with tribalism is that it doesn't allow me, someone trying to view another as an individual, to do so. It asserts that we can only view each other as faceless expressions of 'our' groups. This is counterproductive and the essential problem with identity politics.
      - juvinious 9y ago
        This form of cultural eugenics serves no ideal purpose to western society. What are the merits of basing everyone by the hue of their pigmentation? This is exactly the same position that individuals advocating bill C-16 in Canada so that people are forced to acknowledge others transient or sexual state. Again, these ideas only serve to segrate groups and will likely lead to create civil strife.
        Blackthorn 9y ago
        > This form of cultural eugenics Wow, that escalated quickly. > What are the merits of basing everyone by the hue of their pigmentation? This is a strawman; it's not what I'm advocating. What I am advocating is to recognize that black people have a different lived experience than white people. Colorblindness erases that. > Again, these ideas only serve to segrate groups and will likely lead to create civil strife. Like racism isn't causing civil strife right now?

wallace_f 9y ago

Academia. 'Anti Whiteness is pro humanity,' according to a professor teaching a course "The Problem with Whiteness," who UW Madison defends[0]. "In this class, we will ask what an ethical white identity entails, what it means to be #woke, and consider the journal Race Traitor's motto, 'treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity" Any professor teaching anti-(any other race'ness') would be instantly a pariah and unable to keep a job. http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/23/health/college-course-white-controversy-irpt-trnd/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/23/health/college-course-white-co... I have a question. When I grew up I heard 'colorblindness' was a good thing. What happened to that? It appears we are going in the opposite direction.

Blackthorn 9y ago
> Any professor teaching anti-(any other race'ness') would be instantly a pariah and unable to keep a job. Whiteness isn't really a race, so that's not the same thing. In America, it's been a social construct whose members have shifted over the years. > I have a question. When I grew up I heard 'colorblindness' was a good thing. What happened to that? It appears we are going in the opposite direction. People started to realize that it ignores the lived experience of black people.
- wallace_f 9y ago
  I feel like I don't understand this. Consider the hypothetical courses: "the problem with Jewishness," or "the problem with Blackness." Are those at all acceptable? I am certain they are not! So what is acceptable about "the problem with Whiteness?" I think you are saying that Whites do not constitute a race in the same way that Blacks do?? Does that make sense?
  - Blackthorn 9y ago
    > So what is acceptable about "the problem with Whiteness?" You got the answer yourself: > I think you are saying that Whites do not constitute a race in the same way that Blacks do?? Does that make sense?
    - dmix 9y ago
      They don't seem to be making a cultural distinction here by calling it only "whiteness". A dynamic that both racists and rabid anti-racists so often ignore to their own detriment. Culture is the issue. And by bypassing that and focusing on race it instantly makes the conversation taboo and kills any progress through conversation and public discourse. This happens often in society and it's a shame, especially when cultural defects result in oppression or mass inter-community violence. These are serious problems that can't be addressed honestly.
      - Blackthorn 9y ago
        I'm not certain I understand your objection. The point is that whiteness in America isn't a race at all; it's a social construction made to exclude people that the in-group at the time didn't like, like Irish (who were not considered white until, gradually, they were). Where does culture enter into this?
        abiox 9y ago
        i think irish being not-white (and a number of similar propositions) is either ahistorical or equivocating in some manner. where irish ever required to use 'colored' restrooms? did anti-miscegenation laws outlaw 'white and irish' marriage or sexual relations? consider that 'paddy wagon' is a term from irish association with policework in the 1800s... does it seem likely that 'white' citizens of that time would be content with 'non-whites' arresting them and carting them off to jail or court?
        Blackthorn 9y ago
- meri_dian 9y ago
  Colorblindness is the only way to live in a multicultural society. How does it ignore the experiences of 'black' people?
  - Blackthorn 9y ago
    > Colorblindness is the only way to live in a multicultural society. No, it's not. > How does it ignore the experiences of 'black' people? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/26/do-not-see-race-ignoring-racism-not-helping https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/26/do-not...
    - meri_dian 9y ago
      I don't think you understand the philosophy of colorblindness. We can't expect everyone to treat everyone else identically, but we can expect everyone to treat everyone else with respect. Colorblindness advocates that while you may subconsciously classify people into different groups, you shouldn't let that classification get in the way of evaluating a person as an individual. The problem with tribalism is that it doesn't allow me, someone trying to view another as an individual, to do so. It asserts that we can only view each other as faceless expressions of 'our' groups. This is counterproductive and the essential problem with identity politics.
    - juvinious 9y ago
      This form of cultural eugenics serves no ideal purpose to western society. What are the merits of basing everyone by the hue of their pigmentation? This is exactly the same position that individuals advocating bill C-16 in Canada so that people are forced to acknowledge others transient or sexual state. Again, these ideas only serve to segrate groups and will likely lead to create civil strife.
      - Blackthorn 9y ago
        > This form of cultural eugenics Wow, that escalated quickly. > What are the merits of basing everyone by the hue of their pigmentation? This is a strawman; it's not what I'm advocating. What I am advocating is to recognize that black people have a different lived experience than white people. Colorblindness erases that. > Again, these ideas only serve to segrate groups and will likely lead to create civil strife. Like racism isn't causing civil strife right now?