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> "They could learn from Apple's approach with numbers where a worksheet is a canvas on which you can place multiple tables or charts or diagrams" You can do t

> "They could learn from Apple's approach with numbers where a worksheet is a canvas on which you can place multiple tables or charts or diagrams" You can do this with Excel also. When was the last time you used Excel? > "There might be 1000 people in the world who use power BI, and only because their IT dept set it up for them." The Power BI features in Excel come ready to use out of the box. Clearly you've never used them, but they're by far the best new features in modern Excel. Any power user of Excel that isn't exploring them is missing out.

cm2187 9y ago
> You can do this with Excel also. When was the last time you used Excel? How do you do that then?
- ZenoArrow 9y ago
  Mark separate areas on the same worksheet as tables, set chart location to be the same worksheet as the tables. If you're bothered by the gridlines those can be turned off. Not much to it really. You can also create dashboard-style content with PowerView (which is one of the PowerBI features built into Excel).
  - cm2187 9y ago
    No need to be condescending, I am a heavy excel user, possibly more than you. Tables may be fine in Excel for data but useless for any custom logic, which is what I use the most excel for. I am not aware that tables overflow with a scrollbar like Apple's approach allows. If you need to add more rows to the top table, the bottom table goes off screen. If the top table contains a very wide column, the bottom table needs to have the same column width. These are all inconveniences that apple's approach solves (and wouldn't be very hard to implement in excel while preserving backward compatibility). I don't see how Excel tables solve any of that.
    - ZenoArrow 9y ago
      > "No need to be condescending, I am a heavy excel user, possibly more than you." Believe what you want. > "I am not aware that tables overflow with a scrollbar like Apple's approach allows." If scrollbars matter to you then you can use Power View, which is one of the Power BI features available in Excel. To get a better idea of how it works, take a look at this short video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f6QS13RtrmM https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f6QS13RtrmM

cm2187 9y ago

> You can do this with Excel also. When was the last time you used Excel? How do you do that then?

ZenoArrow 9y ago
Mark separate areas on the same worksheet as tables, set chart location to be the same worksheet as the tables. If you're bothered by the gridlines those can be turned off. Not much to it really. You can also create dashboard-style content with PowerView (which is one of the PowerBI features built into Excel).
- cm2187 9y ago
  No need to be condescending, I am a heavy excel user, possibly more than you. Tables may be fine in Excel for data but useless for any custom logic, which is what I use the most excel for. I am not aware that tables overflow with a scrollbar like Apple's approach allows. If you need to add more rows to the top table, the bottom table goes off screen. If the top table contains a very wide column, the bottom table needs to have the same column width. These are all inconveniences that apple's approach solves (and wouldn't be very hard to implement in excel while preserving backward compatibility). I don't see how Excel tables solve any of that.
  - ZenoArrow 9y ago
    > "No need to be condescending, I am a heavy excel user, possibly more than you." Believe what you want. > "I am not aware that tables overflow with a scrollbar like Apple's approach allows." If scrollbars matter to you then you can use Power View, which is one of the Power BI features available in Excel. To get a better idea of how it works, take a look at this short video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f6QS13RtrmM https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f6QS13RtrmM