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I don't see where the panic is coming from, I'm almost certain Google, Facebook and several advertising agencies know I'm gay from my browsing history, and all

I don't see where the panic is coming from, I'm almost certain Google, Facebook and several advertising agencies know I'm gay from my browsing history, and all that data is already made available to governments.

QAPereo 9y ago
(And to be clear, based on this work alone, AI can’t tell whether someone is gay or straight from a photo. The panic is being manufactured, probably for little more than grant money, recognition, and clicks.
- tspike 9y ago
  It's amazing how short our memories are.
chaostheory 9y ago
> warns that facial recognition will soon be able to identify not only someone’s sexual orientation, but their political views, criminality, and even their IQ. With statements like these, some worry we’re reviving an old belief with a bad history: that you can intuit character from appearance. This pseudoscience, physiognomy, was fuel for the scientific racism of the 19th and 20th centuries, and gave moral cover to some of humanity’s worst impulses: to demonize, condemn, and exterminate fellow humans.
- wyager 9y ago
  > With statements like these, some worry we’re reviving an old belief with a bad history: that you can intuit character from appearance. This pseudoscience, physiognomy If it actually works, it's not pseudoscience, it's just science. (Assuming you don't understate the variance in generated intelligence/sexuality/whatever distributions.)
tgb 9y ago
"You're not really gay, you're just acting gay for attention - look the AI says you're not gay!" "I can't believe you're still seeing John! You know he's gay, right? I tested his profile picture - it came back 98%!" The whole point of the LGBTQ movement was to let people decide for themselves what they are, not to label them based off what society says they ought to be.
- 21 9y ago
  I'm male. Next time at the gym showers I'll identify as a female, for about an hour. No problem, right.
  - ehnto 9y ago
    Probably not a helpful tangent of the debate.
    - 21 9y ago
      This will become more and more of an issue if we allow anyone to identify at any time as anything. There was an article recently about males which identify as females wanting in on female-only music festivals (which were a response to frequent sexual assaults at mixed festivals)
      - ehnto 9y ago
        I understand, but it's a complicated debate and it's full of strong opinions and subjectivity. Definitely not one we can solve with a one liner about gym showers, and I think a tangent based on that is unlikely to be anything but antagonistic.
  - Toboe 9y ago
    Ok, assessments from 2 independent psychiatrists and a history of passing please. Then no problem.
- wyager 9y ago
  Just because people might choose to misinterpret the results of a test doesn't mean the test is invalid. People already do an acceptable job understanding the existence of false positives and negatives on other tests.
protomyth 9y ago
For some countries (e.g. Saudi Arabia, Iran), the government knowing might not be very healthy for you.

QAPereo 9y ago

(And to be clear, based on this work alone, AI can’t tell whether someone is gay or straight from a photo. The panic is being manufactured, probably for little more than grant money, recognition, and clicks.

tspike 9y ago
It's amazing how short our memories are.

chaostheory 9y ago

> warns that facial recognition will soon be able to identify not only someone’s sexual orientation, but their political views, criminality, and even their IQ. With statements like these, some worry we’re reviving an old belief with a bad history: that you can intuit character from appearance. This pseudoscience, physiognomy, was fuel for the scientific racism of the 19th and 20th centuries, and gave moral cover to some of humanity’s worst impulses: to demonize, condemn, and exterminate fellow humans.

wyager 9y ago
> With statements like these, some worry we’re reviving an old belief with a bad history: that you can intuit character from appearance. This pseudoscience, physiognomy If it actually works, it's not pseudoscience, it's just science. (Assuming you don't understate the variance in generated intelligence/sexuality/whatever distributions.)

tgb 9y ago

"You're not really gay, you're just acting gay for attention - look the AI says you're not gay!" "I can't believe you're still seeing John! You know he's gay, right? I tested his profile picture - it came back 98%!" The whole point of the LGBTQ movement was to let people decide for themselves what they are, not to label them based off what society says they ought to be.

21 9y ago
I'm male. Next time at the gym showers I'll identify as a female, for about an hour. No problem, right.
- ehnto 9y ago
  Probably not a helpful tangent of the debate.
  - 21 9y ago
    This will become more and more of an issue if we allow anyone to identify at any time as anything. There was an article recently about males which identify as females wanting in on female-only music festivals (which were a response to frequent sexual assaults at mixed festivals)
    - ehnto 9y ago
      I understand, but it's a complicated debate and it's full of strong opinions and subjectivity. Definitely not one we can solve with a one liner about gym showers, and I think a tangent based on that is unlikely to be anything but antagonistic.
- Toboe 9y ago
  Ok, assessments from 2 independent psychiatrists and a history of passing please. Then no problem.
wyager 9y ago
Just because people might choose to misinterpret the results of a test doesn't mean the test is invalid. People already do an acceptable job understanding the existence of false positives and negatives on other tests.

protomyth 9y ago

For some countries (e.g. Saudi Arabia, Iran), the government knowing might not be very healthy for you.