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What's odd is that this article is so well written that it really clicks with bitter developers who are just confused in the vast sea of alternative technologie

What's odd is that this article is so well written that it really clicks with bitter developers who are just confused in the vast sea of alternative technologies with the web. At least that's my guess why there's so many upvotes here. I feel that anyone who rants like this comes from a low level micromanagement world where they have extreme control over everything any they can't have it with web technologies. Fine, but why shit on other developers carpet? I think the web platform is one of the best innovation the software industry has experienced since the 80's. Can it be better? Of course, yes, definitely and it's getting better. I have to agree that posting bitter, "everything is wrong" type of articles is really not constructive. And for god's sake, learn to use your effin' tools.

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taternuts 9y ago
I kind of feel like the web and all that's gone into it is similar to all the work that went into the JVM to make it what it is. Kind of ridiculous, the platform we are on and the sheer amount of intelligence and hard work to make it as efficient as it is is astounding. Maybe because constraints breed creativity to do something with the garbage you have. So I honestly think it's better than it's ever been, but at the same time I understand the author's gripes of "This should have been designed with X in mind first and foremost"
- hutzlibu 9y ago
  " but at the same time I understand the author's gripes of "This should have been designed with X in mind first and foremost"" Sure thing. If you know exactly what you need and design for that, than the outcome is allways better, than just randomly adding things here and there. So yes, a newly designed web would be something awesome. The thing is just, that it is somewhat complicated to design such a thing in the first place. And then build it. And while you build it, you discover many new things that also absolutely have to go into the design, so you redesign, ... So in other words, I am curious for his thoughts on a new design and I would welcome it, if it leads to anything. I am just very sceptical, that there is something really awesome and concrete behind it. Vague ideas how to improve things, are allready floating around since the beginning.
DINKDINK 9y ago
>What's odd is that this article is so well written that it really clicks with bitter developers who are just confused in the vast sea of alternative technologies Hearn has a penchant for penning very well written articles but complaining about systemic issues rather than directly solving them. He was the kernel of the block size split that occurred in bitcoin starting in 2015 whose vitriolic fruit still bears today. Rather than face up to the fact that his fix proposals were either technically and or politically dead on arrival, he claimed a vast conspiracy. There are some valid claims in this post but again it’s too heavy on complaining and light on the solutions.
- mike_hearn 9y ago
  I think that's a bit unfair. Firstly, I did try and solve the block size problem. Myself and Gavin did Bitcoin XT. It resulted in large DDoS attacks that took out entire regional areas because they contained a single XT node, any mention of XT being banned from the Bitcoin forums, large companies like Coinbase being banned too for simply experimenting with it, and so on. Miners also refused to run it because they were told that this would be democracy, and democracy was dangerous (they were almost all in China, so no surprises there). There was a large, organised and extremely hostile effort to ensure that the solutions we proposed could not be adopted even by those who wanted to. I did a lot more than just write articles. As for this article, it says there's a second part coming where I propose concrete solutions.
  - hutzlibu 9y ago
    "As for this article, it says there's a second part coming where I propose concrete solutions" looking forward for it ...

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taternuts 9y ago

I kind of feel like the web and all that's gone into it is similar to all the work that went into the JVM to make it what it is. Kind of ridiculous, the platform we are on and the sheer amount of intelligence and hard work to make it as efficient as it is is astounding. Maybe because constraints breed creativity to do something with the garbage you have. So I honestly think it's better than it's ever been, but at the same time I understand the author's gripes of "This should have been designed with X in mind first and foremost"

hutzlibu 9y ago
" but at the same time I understand the author's gripes of "This should have been designed with X in mind first and foremost"" Sure thing. If you know exactly what you need and design for that, than the outcome is allways better, than just randomly adding things here and there. So yes, a newly designed web would be something awesome. The thing is just, that it is somewhat complicated to design such a thing in the first place. And then build it. And while you build it, you discover many new things that also absolutely have to go into the design, so you redesign, ... So in other words, I am curious for his thoughts on a new design and I would welcome it, if it leads to anything. I am just very sceptical, that there is something really awesome and concrete behind it. Vague ideas how to improve things, are allready floating around since the beginning.

DINKDINK 9y ago

>What's odd is that this article is so well written that it really clicks with bitter developers who are just confused in the vast sea of alternative technologies Hearn has a penchant for penning very well written articles but complaining about systemic issues rather than directly solving them. He was the kernel of the block size split that occurred in bitcoin starting in 2015 whose vitriolic fruit still bears today. Rather than face up to the fact that his fix proposals were either technically and or politically dead on arrival, he claimed a vast conspiracy. There are some valid claims in this post but again it’s too heavy on complaining and light on the solutions.

mike_hearn 9y ago
I think that's a bit unfair. Firstly, I did try and solve the block size problem. Myself and Gavin did Bitcoin XT. It resulted in large DDoS attacks that took out entire regional areas because they contained a single XT node, any mention of XT being banned from the Bitcoin forums, large companies like Coinbase being banned too for simply experimenting with it, and so on. Miners also refused to run it because they were told that this would be democracy, and democracy was dangerous (they were almost all in China, so no surprises there). There was a large, organised and extremely hostile effort to ensure that the solutions we proposed could not be adopted even by those who wanted to. I did a lot more than just write articles. As for this article, it says there's a second part coming where I propose concrete solutions.
- hutzlibu 9y ago
  "As for this article, it says there's a second part coming where I propose concrete solutions" looking forward for it ...