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Well you need to follow some trends your circles follow. WhatsApp is not really like IRC as it's mostly messages between two peers, and for many it's impractic

by gkya 9y ago

Well you need to follow some trends your circles follow. WhatsApp is not really like IRC as it's mostly messages between two peers, and for many it's impractical to not use it. I receive lots of HTML mail, most of them spam or newsletters I follow, and then there are those where Gmail, GitHub or whatnot adds a text/html version automatically. I just view it in the browser if it's a newsletter I expected (and there are quite a bit of them exclusively in HTML). We can't shape the outer world, but we can transform it a bit to fit our needs. Gnus and Emacs helps quite a bit. I wish sth. similar existed for WhatsApp, but they don't have APIs AFAIK. WRT Gnus, you should use Gmane to view mailing lists if you don't already, and with Gnus Agent you can make sure articles are available offline. Also, if you split your e-mail carefully into relevant mailboxes and use the topics mode, notmuch or alike become less necessary. I just work with Gnus and isearch, and haven't yet needed any other search tool. And my favourite line of configuration for Gnus is: (add-hook 'gnus-summary-prepared-hook 'gnus-summary-hide-all-threads)

nextos 9y ago
Would you care to share your full gnus configuration?
- gkya 9y ago
  I've extracted the relevant bits below, the rest is the usual SMTP setup everybody uses. I didn't just copy and paste because it's intertwined with the rest of my config that I'd have to publish all of it [1]and also I removed some private stuff. I suggest you pick what you like but reading the documentation carefully. With Gmane, when you first run Gnus you should pick the newsgroups you want to follow, hit ^ on Group buffer to get the server buffer and subscribe with `u' to any group you like on the server. [1] I'd have to kill the mercurial repo and start brand new if I wanted to publish my emacs.d, thus I don't publish it. Maybe one day I'll get around to figure out if I ever had any really confidential stuff in there and publish it if not. (require 'rx) (require 'mail-source) (require 'spam) (require 'gnus) (require 'message) (setf ;; Gmail does not like parens. message-from-style 'angles) ;;; Mail sources: (setf mail-sources `((pop :server "some server" :user "user name" :port 995) ,(let ((f (expand-file-name (user-login-name) "/var/mail"))) ;system mailbox (list 'file :path f)))) ;;; Spam: (spam-initialize) (setf spam-use-BBDB t ; whitelist from BBDB contacts spam-use-spamassassin t spam-assassin-program (gk-executable-ensure "spamc") gnus-spam-newsgroup-contents '(("spam" gnus-group-spam-classification-spam)) ;;; Splitting mail: nnmail-split-methods 'nnmail-split-fancy nnmail-split-fancy-match-partial-words t nnmail-split-fancy `(| (: spam-split) ;; Github: ("List-Id" "cadadr/" "inbox") ; Github issues on my github repos. ("From" "notifications@github.com" "github") ; other ;; News: (| ("From" "newsletter@newspaper.com" "news")) ;; Announcements: (| ("To" "info-gnu@gnu.org" "announcements")) ;; Links: ("Subject" "_link_" "link") ;; Files: ("Subject" "_file_" "file") ;; Self mail: ("From" ,(macroexpand `(rx ,user-mail-address)) "self") ("From" ,(rx "my other email address") "self") ("From" ,(rx "another address of mine") "self") ;; Rest goes to the inbox: "inbox")) ;;; Gnus: (setf ;;;; Mail sources: gnus-select-method '(nnml "") ;uses mail-sources gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nntp "gmane" (nntp-address "news.gmane.org"))) ;;;; Mime: gnus-buttonized-mime-types '("multipart/signed" "multipart/alternative" "text/html" "text/x-diff" "text/x-patch" "text/vcard" "text/x-org")) ;;;; Keys: ;; Render article in browser. (define-key gnus-article-mode-map "\C-cw" 'gnus-article-browse-html-article) ;;;; Gnus ui: (require 'gnus-sum) (setf ;; U: read status ;; R: A if replied to,‘ ’ if not ;; z: zscore (char) ;; B: trn-style indentation based on thread level ;; f: contents of the from or to headers. ;; s: subject or empty str if not thread root gnus-summary-line-format "%U%R%z %B%(%-23,23f%) %s \n") ;; Switch topics on and collapse all threads. Collapsed threads ;; expand automatically when you hit RET on them, and there's a ;; threads menu for the summary buffer where many commands are listed. ;; I suggest you keep menu-bar-mode on for at least Gnus as it is very ;; helpful when discovering new commands. (add-hook 'gnus-group-mode-hook 'gnus-topic-mode) (add-hook 'gnus-summary-prepared-hook 'gnus-summary-hide-all-threads)
  - nextos 9y ago
    Thanks! Do you know nnir has a notmuch backend now? So one can avoid running Dovecot locally and still have great search capabilities with a mbsync+notmuch setup.
    - gkya 9y ago
      You're welcome, and yes, I recall having read that somewhere, and I've used notmuch (and mairix) with emacs in the past, but I've found out that searching subject lines in the summary buffer is sufficient %90-95 of the time, so I did not set Gnus up with a search helper to avoid complexity (YMMV). I just pop all my mail and store it locally anyways (except NNTP which I don't copy locally) so it's fast to make Gnus show thousands of messages and isearch through them (not accumulating all messages in a single group and aggressive spam checks help).
unkown-unknowns 9y ago
> they don't have APIs AFAIK They don't have public APIs you mean. With a bit of effort you could reverse engineer what their app is doing. The real pain is maintaining it, keeping up with changes. Hence why nobody bothers.
- gkya 9y ago
  Yeah certainly what I meant.

by gkya 9y ago

nextos 9y ago

Would you care to share your full gnus configuration?

gkya 9y ago
I've extracted the relevant bits below, the rest is the usual SMTP setup everybody uses. I didn't just copy and paste because it's intertwined with the rest of my config that I'd have to publish all of it [1]and also I removed some private stuff. I suggest you pick what you like but reading the documentation carefully. With Gmane, when you first run Gnus you should pick the newsgroups you want to follow, hit ^ on Group buffer to get the server buffer and subscribe with `u' to any group you like on the server. [1] I'd have to kill the mercurial repo and start brand new if I wanted to publish my emacs.d, thus I don't publish it. Maybe one day I'll get around to figure out if I ever had any really confidential stuff in there and publish it if not. (require 'rx) (require 'mail-source) (require 'spam) (require 'gnus) (require 'message) (setf ;; Gmail does not like parens. message-from-style 'angles) ;;; Mail sources: (setf mail-sources `((pop :server "some server" :user "user name" :port 995) ,(let ((f (expand-file-name (user-login-name) "/var/mail"))) ;system mailbox (list 'file :path f)))) ;;; Spam: (spam-initialize) (setf spam-use-BBDB t ; whitelist from BBDB contacts spam-use-spamassassin t spam-assassin-program (gk-executable-ensure "spamc") gnus-spam-newsgroup-contents '(("spam" gnus-group-spam-classification-spam)) ;;; Splitting mail: nnmail-split-methods 'nnmail-split-fancy nnmail-split-fancy-match-partial-words t nnmail-split-fancy `(| (: spam-split) ;; Github: ("List-Id" "cadadr/" "inbox") ; Github issues on my github repos. ("From" "notifications@github.com" "github") ; other ;; News: (| ("From" "newsletter@newspaper.com" "news")) ;; Announcements: (| ("To" "info-gnu@gnu.org" "announcements")) ;; Links: ("Subject" "_link_" "link") ;; Files: ("Subject" "_file_" "file") ;; Self mail: ("From" ,(macroexpand `(rx ,user-mail-address)) "self") ("From" ,(rx "my other email address") "self") ("From" ,(rx "another address of mine") "self") ;; Rest goes to the inbox: "inbox")) ;;; Gnus: (setf ;;;; Mail sources: gnus-select-method '(nnml "") ;uses mail-sources gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nntp "gmane" (nntp-address "news.gmane.org"))) ;;;; Mime: gnus-buttonized-mime-types '("multipart/signed" "multipart/alternative" "text/html" "text/x-diff" "text/x-patch" "text/vcard" "text/x-org")) ;;;; Keys: ;; Render article in browser. (define-key gnus-article-mode-map "\C-cw" 'gnus-article-browse-html-article) ;;;; Gnus ui: (require 'gnus-sum) (setf ;; U: read status ;; R: A if replied to,‘ ’ if not ;; z: zscore (char) ;; B: trn-style indentation based on thread level ;; f: contents of the from or to headers. ;; s: subject or empty str if not thread root gnus-summary-line-format "%U%R%z %B%(%-23,23f%) %s \n") ;; Switch topics on and collapse all threads. Collapsed threads ;; expand automatically when you hit RET on them, and there's a ;; threads menu for the summary buffer where many commands are listed. ;; I suggest you keep menu-bar-mode on for at least Gnus as it is very ;; helpful when discovering new commands. (add-hook 'gnus-group-mode-hook 'gnus-topic-mode) (add-hook 'gnus-summary-prepared-hook 'gnus-summary-hide-all-threads)
- nextos 9y ago
  Thanks! Do you know nnir has a notmuch backend now? So one can avoid running Dovecot locally and still have great search capabilities with a mbsync+notmuch setup.
  - gkya 9y ago
    You're welcome, and yes, I recall having read that somewhere, and I've used notmuch (and mairix) with emacs in the past, but I've found out that searching subject lines in the summary buffer is sufficient %90-95 of the time, so I did not set Gnus up with a search helper to avoid complexity (YMMV). I just pop all my mail and store it locally anyways (except NNTP which I don't copy locally) so it's fast to make Gnus show thousands of messages and isearch through them (not accumulating all messages in a single group and aggressive spam checks help).

unkown-unknowns 9y ago

> they don't have APIs AFAIK They don't have public APIs you mean. With a bit of effort you could reverse engineer what their app is doing. The real pain is maintaining it, keeping up with changes. Hence why nobody bothers.

gkya 9y ago
Yeah certainly what I meant.