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Yep we enjoy our pasta, a bit sad that we're always caged into this "pasta, pizza, mafia" storytelling :/ but probably it's our fault!
by J_cst 9y ago
Yep we enjoy our pasta, a bit sad that we're always caged into this "pasta, pizza, mafia" storytelling :/ but probably it's our fault!
- jaggederest 9y agoI always thought it was kind of funny that Italy was famous for new-world and relatively recent concepts. Tomatoes definitively didn't exist in the old world before 1500ad and la Cosa Nostra only emerged in the 18th century, in the same vein as the Bow Street Runners in the UK. Of course pasta existed before tomatoes were available, as in things like Bolognese sauce, but it's still a strong association.
- thiagoharry 9y agoWell, Italy is also a new and recent country.
- J_cst 9y agoYep, only if you really believe that Italy's "birthday" is 1861... :) I humbly suggest that there's something more than that if you look closely!
- walterstucco 9y ago1870 is the real one, with the Capture of Rome when Rome was annexed to kingdom of Italy.
- J_cst 9y agoWhat people often refers to "Bolognese sauce" should be called "ragú" (tomato and minced meat).
- jaggederest 9y agoYeah, I'm not talking about the version that has any tomato in it. I'm talking about the stock-vegetable-and-beef-stew-on-pasta thing that predates it.
- tlb 9y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bow_Street_Runners https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bow_Street_Runners is a fine read
- nyolfen 9y agoi think the simple explanation is that these are elements introduced into american culture by italians
- dragonwriter 9y ago> Of course pasta existed before tomatoes were available Only a little over 300 years longer in Italy (where it did not originate.)