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The interior is mostly concrete and drywall and there are clearly-lighted exit signs in the photographs. There has been a long history of cultural spaces in ex-

The interior is mostly concrete and drywall and there are clearly-lighted exit signs in the photographs. There has been a long history of cultural spaces in ex-industrial space, and it's perfectly safe when basic fire safety regulations for places of assembly are followed.

greglindahl 9y ago
Oh, I'm sure these spaces make great concert venues, and are perfectly safe when fire safety is paid attention to.
Spooky23 9y ago
When nobody is watching, people tend to cut corners on things like basic fire safety.
sandworm101 9y ago
Pop-up concerts sold by word of mouth... tickets sold for and all involved paid in cash. In oher words:illegal. But if you want to officialy convert a space, if you want to sell via ticketmaster or get financing through a bank, then suddenly there is plenty of government. Forget fire inspectors, what is the state of the bathrooms? An ADA suit will cut far deeper than having to install sprinkers. It is far easier to push some industrial-looking stuff into a club than try to setup a legit club inside a factory.
- IncRnd 9y ago
  It isn't illegal for concerts to be spread by word of mouth or for their tickets to be sold for cash.
  - sandworm101 9y ago
    No, but those are red flags.
    - IncRnd 9y ago
      You might want to revise your original comment, then. In your first comment you clearly wrote, "In oher words:illegal," but now write, "red flag." If the customer base exists, and the promoter can rely on word of mouth for advertising, why is it a red-flag to not want to pay anyone for advertising? Also, why is it a red flag to accept cash, which 100% of attendees can produce instead of relying upon other payment methods which have been shown to make less money for the promoter?
      - syrrim 9y ago
        If you don't merely accept cash but exclusively accept cash, then that suggests you're trying to evade taxes.
        IncRnd 9y ago
        Reflect on it for a moment. In this exact case, people purchasing tickets into a concert, where there is a tremendous amount of business, why pay a third party for every credit card swipe? You get the exact same number of customers if you only accept cash. In many demographics, you actually get more customers from cash-only. Sure, some promoters and business owners will evade taxes, but people do that anyway for all sorts of businesses. In this case, accepting cash only is not an indicator of attempting to evade taxes.
        sandworm101 9y ago
        Because any manager knows that handling that much cash comes with risks. Someone standing at club door taking cash, sans cash register, is dangerous. Either money goes "missing" or someone gets robbed.
        IncRnd 9y ago
        That has absolutely nothing to do with your comment that people who accept cash are engaging in illegal activity. In an all cash business, the truth is you make money hand over fist. You can't count it fast enough, even with your door person skimming - which you already expect to happen. Besides, you don't have your door people stand around all night with loads of cash in their pockets.
- timthelion 9y ago
  Land of the free home of the brave. More and more it seems to me that Americans are afraid of living and afraid of freedom.
  - Frondo 9y ago
    Why shouldn't public businesses be accessible to people without a working pair of legs? ADA compliance is all about opening up freedom to more people. It's the coolest thing in the world to see some quadroplegic dude in a wheelchair enjoying a concert as much as the people dancing. That's freedom for that dude. Bring it on.
    - rspeer 9y ago
      The fact that this comment is starting to fade due to downvotes makes quite a statement about HN.
      - grzm 9y ago
        I understand the urge to respond when we see something we think is unfairly down-voted. However, the down votes actually only says something about the few (lone?) individuals who down-voted, and very little at that. One can speculate as to their reasons, but we really can't know for sure unless they choose to comment and explain. That's one of the reasons the guidelines ask us not to comment on down votes: It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I think the best, most constructive thing to do is upvote and expand on the comment you support. That adds to the conversation and reinforces the point the first comment made.
        DanBC 9y ago
        At some point you and dang are going to have to stop excusing the sizable fascist faction on HN as being "just a few people" or some kind of balance for the other "extremist" POV. Here we have someone saying something utterly mainstream - accessibility is good - and getting downvotes for it. HN has lurched to the right, and fascism is now acceptable here.
- jordanb 9y ago
  I doubt you'd trigger ADA requirements if you're just installing a stage and modern fire equipment.
sliverstorm 9y ago
when basic fire safety regulations for places of assembly are followed That's the problem. Not to paint a whole group with a single brush, but improvised bohemian sorts of facilities have a long track record of disdain for things like basic fire safety.

greglindahl 9y ago

Oh, I'm sure these spaces make great concert venues, and are perfectly safe when fire safety is paid attention to.

Spooky23 9y ago

When nobody is watching, people tend to cut corners on things like basic fire safety.

sandworm101 9y ago

Pop-up concerts sold by word of mouth... tickets sold for and all involved paid in cash. In oher words:illegal. But if you want to officialy convert a space, if you want to sell via ticketmaster or get financing through a bank, then suddenly there is plenty of government. Forget fire inspectors, what is the state of the bathrooms? An ADA suit will cut far deeper than having to install sprinkers. It is far easier to push some industrial-looking stuff into a club than try to setup a legit club inside a factory.

IncRnd 9y ago
It isn't illegal for concerts to be spread by word of mouth or for their tickets to be sold for cash.
- sandworm101 9y ago
  No, but those are red flags.
  - IncRnd 9y ago
    You might want to revise your original comment, then. In your first comment you clearly wrote, "In oher words:illegal," but now write, "red flag." If the customer base exists, and the promoter can rely on word of mouth for advertising, why is it a red-flag to not want to pay anyone for advertising? Also, why is it a red flag to accept cash, which 100% of attendees can produce instead of relying upon other payment methods which have been shown to make less money for the promoter?
    - syrrim 9y ago
      If you don't merely accept cash but exclusively accept cash, then that suggests you're trying to evade taxes.
      - IncRnd 9y ago
        Reflect on it for a moment. In this exact case, people purchasing tickets into a concert, where there is a tremendous amount of business, why pay a third party for every credit card swipe? You get the exact same number of customers if you only accept cash. In many demographics, you actually get more customers from cash-only. Sure, some promoters and business owners will evade taxes, but people do that anyway for all sorts of businesses. In this case, accepting cash only is not an indicator of attempting to evade taxes.
        sandworm101 9y ago
        Because any manager knows that handling that much cash comes with risks. Someone standing at club door taking cash, sans cash register, is dangerous. Either money goes "missing" or someone gets robbed.
        IncRnd 9y ago
        That has absolutely nothing to do with your comment that people who accept cash are engaging in illegal activity. In an all cash business, the truth is you make money hand over fist. You can't count it fast enough, even with your door person skimming - which you already expect to happen. Besides, you don't have your door people stand around all night with loads of cash in their pockets.
timthelion 9y ago
Land of the free home of the brave. More and more it seems to me that Americans are afraid of living and afraid of freedom.
- Frondo 9y ago
  Why shouldn't public businesses be accessible to people without a working pair of legs? ADA compliance is all about opening up freedom to more people. It's the coolest thing in the world to see some quadroplegic dude in a wheelchair enjoying a concert as much as the people dancing. That's freedom for that dude. Bring it on.
  - rspeer 9y ago
    The fact that this comment is starting to fade due to downvotes makes quite a statement about HN.
    - grzm 9y ago
      I understand the urge to respond when we see something we think is unfairly down-voted. However, the down votes actually only says something about the few (lone?) individuals who down-voted, and very little at that. One can speculate as to their reasons, but we really can't know for sure unless they choose to comment and explain. That's one of the reasons the guidelines ask us not to comment on down votes: It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I think the best, most constructive thing to do is upvote and expand on the comment you support. That adds to the conversation and reinforces the point the first comment made.
      - DanBC 9y ago
        At some point you and dang are going to have to stop excusing the sizable fascist faction on HN as being "just a few people" or some kind of balance for the other "extremist" POV. Here we have someone saying something utterly mainstream - accessibility is good - and getting downvotes for it. HN has lurched to the right, and fascism is now acceptable here.
jordanb 9y ago
I doubt you'd trigger ADA requirements if you're just installing a stage and modern fire equipment.

sliverstorm 9y ago

when basic fire safety regulations for places of assembly are followed That's the problem. Not to paint a whole group with a single brush, but improvised bohemian sorts of facilities have a long track record of disdain for things like basic fire safety.