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Maybe you forgot the part where they can export to other EU countries without any fees and barriers, and this has increased the GDP much faster than their neigh

Maybe you forgot the part where they can export to other EU countries without any fees and barriers, and this has increased the GDP much faster than their neighbors outside of the EU (like eg Ukraine, even before the Crimea affair).

dogma1138 9y ago
I didn't forget in fact I've specifically mentioned that EU members do not have full control over their trade policies or tariffs. This isn't an argument against the EU as a whole it's the reality of the circumstances. When both rich and poor countries are forced to import from the same sources at the same rates which are designed to protect the producers rather then the consumers the prices rise and they are forced to compete at the price per unit which also directly translates to the final consumer price. Bulgaria, Romania or Denmark can't reduce their import tarrifs on tomatoes from a specific EU country, they can't even control the import tariffs from non EU countries.
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- danmaz74 9y ago
  Bulgaria, Romania or Denmark can't reduce their import tariffs on tomatoes from a specific EU country... because tariffs between EU countries are already 0. Moreover, only Eurozone countries have fixed exchange rates, the other ones - which include almost all former Soviet block members - can still change those rates.
  - dogma1138 9y ago
    Having tarrifs at zero is a problem. You assume that Denmark would enforce the same or lower tarrifs than a poorer nation on some basic goods. Smaller nations also can have negative import tarrifs on some goods in order to allow thier importers to compete with bigger consumers. Which you cannot do in the EU. The EU as a whole also has trade agreements with many of the regional non EU members. These argeemnts also enforce protective tariffs to reduce the competitiveness of non EU imports. The EU also requires its trade partners to meet EU regulations which increase the prices of exports to begin with.
- jamiek88 9y ago
  Dogma is a very suitable username here. The whole point of the EEC then EU is no tariffs inter nation. You are criticizing something you have either invented or severely misunderstood. Or it’s just copy paste talking point.
  - dogma1138 9y ago
    So when I mentioned that the internal tariffs are zero (which also prevents negative tariffs) and that external tariffs with non-EU nations that have existing trade agreements with the EU are both fixed and protective you infer from that that I don't know and don't understand this fact?

dogma1138 9y ago

I didn't forget in fact I've specifically mentioned that EU members do not have full control over their trade policies or tariffs. This isn't an argument against the EU as a whole it's the reality of the circumstances. When both rich and poor countries are forced to import from the same sources at the same rates which are designed to protect the producers rather then the consumers the prices rise and they are forced to compete at the price per unit which also directly translates to the final consumer price. Bulgaria, Romania or Denmark can't reduce their import tarrifs on tomatoes from a specific EU country, they can't even control the import tariffs from non EU countries.

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danmaz74 9y ago
Bulgaria, Romania or Denmark can't reduce their import tariffs on tomatoes from a specific EU country... because tariffs between EU countries are already 0. Moreover, only Eurozone countries have fixed exchange rates, the other ones - which include almost all former Soviet block members - can still change those rates.
- dogma1138 9y ago
  Having tarrifs at zero is a problem. You assume that Denmark would enforce the same or lower tarrifs than a poorer nation on some basic goods. Smaller nations also can have negative import tarrifs on some goods in order to allow thier importers to compete with bigger consumers. Which you cannot do in the EU. The EU as a whole also has trade agreements with many of the regional non EU members. These argeemnts also enforce protective tariffs to reduce the competitiveness of non EU imports. The EU also requires its trade partners to meet EU regulations which increase the prices of exports to begin with.
jamiek88 9y ago
Dogma is a very suitable username here. The whole point of the EEC then EU is no tariffs inter nation. You are criticizing something you have either invented or severely misunderstood. Or it’s just copy paste talking point.
- dogma1138 9y ago
  So when I mentioned that the internal tariffs are zero (which also prevents negative tariffs) and that external tariffs with non-EU nations that have existing trade agreements with the EU are both fixed and protective you infer from that that I don't know and don't understand this fact?