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Any not so expensive hosting options for sockets-based apps? Heroku? Digital ocean? AWS? Also, what are the limitations by the hosting provider regarding concu

Any not so expensive hosting options for sockets-based apps? Heroku? Digital ocean? AWS? Also, what are the limitations by the hosting provider regarding concurrent connections, data transfer, etc. I am currently working on a poker app using free Heroku dynos but would like to have a budget in mind for when going live.

synthmeat 9y ago
On DigitalOcean, I'm planning a following setup to launch: 1. $20 staging at all times, already live [1] 2. $20 static nginx 3. 3x$5 for socket servers on North America / Europe / Asia 4. $5 master server with WS connections to full mesh of socket servers / orchestration / future. All Debian. Have no clue what's Heroku like for that, but last time I've checked, it wasn't as good choice as DO was and is for me. [1] WARNING: might break at any time, by choice or not http://staging.munchies.io http://staging.munchies.io
- Entangled 9y ago
  Thanks for the info. Good thing about turn-based games is that you send small packets to few players every few seconds, so they're not that intensive in memory/transfer. I hope having a thousand players in a room won't break my piggy bank. Later on I'll venture with chess, checkers and backgammon, all turn-based games.
  - synthmeat 9y ago
    In this oldie of mine [1][2][3], I used protobuf (with no dictionary), and basically only used real-time information to show other player make moves, in otherwise turn-based/async profile game. It's currently solely on single $20 DO droplet, so I hope no HN effect kicks-in. :) [1] https://bit.ly/ShowdownFacebook https://bit.ly/ShowdownFacebook (FB+Flash) [2] https://bit.ly/ShowdownApple https://bit.ly/ShowdownApple (iOS) [3] https://bit.ly/ShowdownGoogle https://bit.ly/ShowdownGoogle (Android)
- explodingcamera 9y ago
  For that money you might as well get a beefy dedicated server that's multiple times as powerful and not have to worry about all these small servers.
  - synthmeat 9y ago
    But can I get 3 dedis in 3 data centers? I'd like to have that lest user experience suffers. I effectively get that with my setup. Maybe one day when I need it, and certainly evaluating at any point.
  - dkersten 9y ago
    The bottleneck likely isn't the server here, but geolocation. He has 3 Digital Ocean socket servers in three regions. A single dedicated server will only be in one region. For latency-sensitive applications like realtime games, having servers close to your users is a must.
- XCSme 9y ago
  I tried playing that game but it's almost unplayable on my machine. The input lag seems to be around 200-250ms (so there seems to be no client prediction). Is this how was it supposed to be? Also it's not nice that you didn't mention the demo contains a crypto miner...
  - synthmeat 9y ago
    I work on it most of this afternoon, including now. Maybe you hit it at wrong time. I use it a lot for load testing, that's mostly why it's live. It did came with a WARNING. :/ Works like a butter for me on EU <-> US path. > Also it's not nice that you didn't mention the demo contains a crypto miner... Hopefully it turned on only for Desktop + Chrome and didn't drain your battery? I simply didn't think it'd come as surprise, considering context of the discussion.
reednj 9y ago
I host https://babbl.xyz https://babbl.xyz on DO with a single $10 server for the socket and the web, and a $10 server for mysql. This can support around 500 active players. I also did a more action asteroids clone (http://triangle-wars.com http://triangle-wars.com), and this would only support I guess 50 players on a $10 server. The limiting factor seems to be the number of packets / sec that need to be broadcast to all players. If each player is changing state 2/sec, and you have 50 players, then the sever needs to relay 100 packets/sec... Unlike some other comments in this thread, I didn't find JSON parsing to have any effect on performance.
zurn 9y ago
If you want to trade off simplicity for lower costs or lower latency, you can also use WebRTC data channels that do p2p communication between the players.

synthmeat 9y ago

On DigitalOcean, I'm planning a following setup to launch: 1. $20 staging at all times, already live [1] 2. $20 static nginx 3. 3x$5 for socket servers on North America / Europe / Asia 4. $5 master server with WS connections to full mesh of socket servers / orchestration / future. All Debian. Have no clue what's Heroku like for that, but last time I've checked, it wasn't as good choice as DO was and is for me. [1] WARNING: might break at any time, by choice or not http://staging.munchies.io http://staging.munchies.io

Entangled 9y ago
Thanks for the info. Good thing about turn-based games is that you send small packets to few players every few seconds, so they're not that intensive in memory/transfer. I hope having a thousand players in a room won't break my piggy bank. Later on I'll venture with chess, checkers and backgammon, all turn-based games.
- synthmeat 9y ago
  In this oldie of mine [1][2][3], I used protobuf (with no dictionary), and basically only used real-time information to show other player make moves, in otherwise turn-based/async profile game. It's currently solely on single $20 DO droplet, so I hope no HN effect kicks-in. :) [1] https://bit.ly/ShowdownFacebook https://bit.ly/ShowdownFacebook (FB+Flash) [2] https://bit.ly/ShowdownApple https://bit.ly/ShowdownApple (iOS) [3] https://bit.ly/ShowdownGoogle https://bit.ly/ShowdownGoogle (Android)
explodingcamera 9y ago
For that money you might as well get a beefy dedicated server that's multiple times as powerful and not have to worry about all these small servers.
- synthmeat 9y ago
  But can I get 3 dedis in 3 data centers? I'd like to have that lest user experience suffers. I effectively get that with my setup. Maybe one day when I need it, and certainly evaluating at any point.
- dkersten 9y ago
  The bottleneck likely isn't the server here, but geolocation. He has 3 Digital Ocean socket servers in three regions. A single dedicated server will only be in one region. For latency-sensitive applications like realtime games, having servers close to your users is a must.
XCSme 9y ago
I tried playing that game but it's almost unplayable on my machine. The input lag seems to be around 200-250ms (so there seems to be no client prediction). Is this how was it supposed to be? Also it's not nice that you didn't mention the demo contains a crypto miner...
- synthmeat 9y ago
  I work on it most of this afternoon, including now. Maybe you hit it at wrong time. I use it a lot for load testing, that's mostly why it's live. It did came with a WARNING. :/ Works like a butter for me on EU <-> US path. > Also it's not nice that you didn't mention the demo contains a crypto miner... Hopefully it turned on only for Desktop + Chrome and didn't drain your battery? I simply didn't think it'd come as surprise, considering context of the discussion.

reednj 9y ago

I host https://babbl.xyz https://babbl.xyz on DO with a single $10 server for the socket and the web, and a $10 server for mysql. This can support around 500 active players. I also did a more action asteroids clone (http://triangle-wars.com http://triangle-wars.com), and this would only support I guess 50 players on a $10 server. The limiting factor seems to be the number of packets / sec that need to be broadcast to all players. If each player is changing state 2/sec, and you have 50 players, then the sever needs to relay 100 packets/sec... Unlike some other comments in this thread, I didn't find JSON parsing to have any effect on performance.

zurn 9y ago

If you want to trade off simplicity for lower costs or lower latency, you can also use WebRTC data channels that do p2p communication between the players.