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While I don't necessarily disagree, let me point out that it's considered okay to show a painting of a breast, or an acted shooting, but showing an actual breas

While I don't necessarily disagree, let me point out that it's considered okay to show a painting of a breast, or an acted shooting, but showing an actual breast or real shooting are both considered taboo. I think people lose track of the fact that violence on TV (and in video games, etc) is pretend violence, whereas most nudity is real nudity, rather than a simulation of same. I'm not saying that makes it sensible, but it does bring the American treatment of them closer together than they seem at first glance.

olliesaunders 16y ago
> but it does bring the American treatment of them closer together than they seem at first glance. To my mind it merely identifies hypocrisy.
Yaggo 16y ago
Now I'm a bit confused. Does (real) breasts of an actress seen on tv count as "actual breasts"?
- randallsquared 16y ago
  Yes. :) However, showing a centerfold spread on TV doesn't. I remember seeing _Dead Poets' Society_ on TV when I was a teen, and wondering how they could get away with showing the centerfold's breasts on broadcast TV. Somehow it doesn't count if it's a painting or photo of nudity.
  - nooneelse 16y ago
    This would be so very easy to push down the obvious slippery slope. Imagine a movie with a progression... painting of a nude male and female, then a picture of the subjects of that painting, then a sequence of paintings of them going from something like a slide-show with a transition every 10 seconds to a couple paintings per second so they do a little stop-motion dance. Then repeat the slide-show with pictures of the subjects. Next introduce another layer, a shot of a TV showing the painting, then the pictures... how can you tell the difference between the TV showing picture of the nudes and a paused video of the nudes? What if two people repeatedly hold up a black sheet in front of the two nudes while they are moving and then drop the sheet for a second as the nudes hold still... how is that different from the slide-show of the pictures of those nudes. All this could be done integrated with the plot and dialogue, maybe something about what is real and how you tell the difference between a real and fake photo/video of something. So in the progressions, when would the censors put the black boxes over the "naughty" bits? Would there be a difference in that for the man and the woman?

olliesaunders 16y ago

> but it does bring the American treatment of them closer together than they seem at first glance. To my mind it merely identifies hypocrisy.

Yaggo 16y ago

Now I'm a bit confused. Does (real) breasts of an actress seen on tv count as "actual breasts"?

randallsquared 16y ago
Yes. :) However, showing a centerfold spread on TV doesn't. I remember seeing _Dead Poets' Society_ on TV when I was a teen, and wondering how they could get away with showing the centerfold's breasts on broadcast TV. Somehow it doesn't count if it's a painting or photo of nudity.
- nooneelse 16y ago
  This would be so very easy to push down the obvious slippery slope. Imagine a movie with a progression... painting of a nude male and female, then a picture of the subjects of that painting, then a sequence of paintings of them going from something like a slide-show with a transition every 10 seconds to a couple paintings per second so they do a little stop-motion dance. Then repeat the slide-show with pictures of the subjects. Next introduce another layer, a shot of a TV showing the painting, then the pictures... how can you tell the difference between the TV showing picture of the nudes and a paused video of the nudes? What if two people repeatedly hold up a black sheet in front of the two nudes while they are moving and then drop the sheet for a second as the nudes hold still... how is that different from the slide-show of the pictures of those nudes. All this could be done integrated with the plot and dialogue, maybe something about what is real and how you tell the difference between a real and fake photo/video of something. So in the progressions, when would the censors put the black boxes over the "naughty" bits? Would there be a difference in that for the man and the woman?