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>That "moment of clarity" is literally just accepting that you are an alcoholic. Like, that's all it is. and what is one of the results of that "moment of clar

>That "moment of clarity" is literally just accepting that you are an alcoholic. Like, that's all it is. and what is one of the results of that "moment of clarity? They stop drinking.

jacquesm 9y ago
You wish. Plenty of them are fully cognizant they are addicts and still can't stop. That's the whole idea of being addicted. It is a dependency at a physical level outside of any of your abilities to reason. Only very strong people make it out and almost always with assistance from the outside.
- wnevets 9y ago
  Plenty of them is not ALL of them. The fact that any of them do is my point. Not a single person with cancer or aids can just decide to not have their disease.
  - Clubber 9y ago
    >Not a single person with cancer or aids can just decide to not have their disease. Neither can addicts the vast majority of addicts, that's the point.
    - wnevets 9y ago
      Why bring up what the majority of addicts doing? The very fact ANY of them can just decide to stop is my point. Its pretty simple.
      - Clubber 9y ago
        They can't decide to stop any more than you can decide to stop breathing or eating. They can certainly say they will stop and they can certainly try, but actually stopping on a permanent bases seems elusive. I would say most addicts don't want to be addicts at some point, yet they are still addicts. I'm addicted to nicotine since I was 12 and I don't want to be, yet I am. I've quit a few times for a few months, but always get triggered back into starting up again.
Clubber 9y ago
That's pretty naive. “Peer reviewed studies peg the success rate of AA somewhere between five and 10 percent,” writes Dodes. “About one of every 15 people who enter these programs is able to become and stay sober.” https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/03/the-surprising-failures-of-12-steps/284616/ https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/03/the-surpr... Now do you see how it's like a disease? Users literally realize they need to stop or they will die, but they do not.

>That "moment of clarity" is literally just accepting that you are an alcoholic. Like, that's all it is. and what is one of the results of that "moment of clarity? They stop drinking.

jacquesm 9y ago

You wish. Plenty of them are fully cognizant they are addicts and still can't stop. That's the whole idea of being addicted. It is a dependency at a physical level outside of any of your abilities to reason. Only very strong people make it out and almost always with assistance from the outside.

wnevets 9y ago
Plenty of them is not ALL of them. The fact that any of them do is my point. Not a single person with cancer or aids can just decide to not have their disease.
- Clubber 9y ago
  >Not a single person with cancer or aids can just decide to not have their disease. Neither can addicts the vast majority of addicts, that's the point.
  - wnevets 9y ago
    Why bring up what the majority of addicts doing? The very fact ANY of them can just decide to stop is my point. Its pretty simple.
    - Clubber 9y ago
      They can't decide to stop any more than you can decide to stop breathing or eating. They can certainly say they will stop and they can certainly try, but actually stopping on a permanent bases seems elusive. I would say most addicts don't want to be addicts at some point, yet they are still addicts. I'm addicted to nicotine since I was 12 and I don't want to be, yet I am. I've quit a few times for a few months, but always get triggered back into starting up again.

Clubber 9y ago

That's pretty naive. “Peer reviewed studies peg the success rate of AA somewhere between five and 10 percent,” writes Dodes. “About one of every 15 people who enter these programs is able to become and stay sober.” https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/03/the-surprising-failures-of-12-steps/284616/ https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/03/the-surpr... Now do you see how it's like a disease? Users literally realize they need to stop or they will die, but they do not.