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>Facebook may very well end up in the majority's good graces with this move. Really? They are doing the minimum possible to prevent an exodus from their stack

>Facebook may very well end up in the majority's good graces with this move. Really? They are doing the minimum possible to prevent an exodus from their stack after a public outcry.

pier25 9y ago
React is pretty popular already. FB only really needs to change the license to keep the growth.
- pknopf 9y ago
  Exactly. React would have been fine, but to say the big players jumping ship didn't matter is just wrong.
matthewmacleod 9y ago
There was no sign of an exodus. That’s ludicrously hyperbolic.
- CydeWeys 9y ago
  Not at all. There was an exodus brewing. For starters: https://ma.tt/2017/09/on-react-and-wordpress/ https://ma.tt/2017/09/on-react-and-wordpress/ https://hacks.hyperspacer.com/app/items/15256532 https://hacks.hyperspacer.com/app/items/15256532
  - ng12 9y ago
    An HN thread with a dozen responses? Hardly an exodus.
    - davidgerard 9y ago
      A quarter of all websites? An exodus.
      - deleted 9y ago
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      - Rapzid 9y ago
        Those websites weren't leaving, they never arrived..
        marksomnian 9y ago
        They were close to arriving but they backtracked, all 25% of them. I'd call that an exodus before you even arrive.
        kahnpro 9y ago
        You can't die if you were never alive to begin with
        orf 9y ago
        And yet a project can die before it's born
        TeMPOraL 9y ago
        If that's the definition then let me tell you about my exoduses from almost every country on the planet...
        madeofpalk 9y ago
        ...of sites that posted on HN. Projects that I work(ed) on that use React have no plans to switch away and aren't represented in that 25%.
        marksomnian 9y ago
        That's not what I meant. 25% of sites on the Internet run WordPress. WordPress was rewriting its editor in React, but decided to switch away due to BSD+Patents.
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- Twirrim 9y ago
  That's a strange claim given how many major projects have appeared on the front page of HN because of it, everything from the Apache foundation to Wordpress.
  - joshmanders 9y ago
    > everything from the Apache foundation to Wordpress. Those were the only two.
    - pknopf 9y ago
      We get it, React would have been fine with out them. But it did matter. It set a strong precedent.
    - CydeWeys 9y ago
      WordPress accounts for something like 19% of all websites, more so than any other single platform. Do not underestimate the importance of their decision.
      - KGIII 9y ago
        A bit higher, according to those who monitor these sorts of things. Some 28.7% of sites use Wordpress.* Curiously, I've seen the 19% number being cited as 19% of all new websites use Wordpress. I'm not sure how 19% becomes 28.7%, but it may just be that sites using WP stick around longer. * https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/cm-wordpress/all/all https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/cm-wordpress/all/al...
    - geerlingguy 9y ago
      Drupal was also close to picking a new library to replace or supplement Backbone, and React was just dropped out of the running (with a strong favor for Vue) a week or two ago.
    - irrational 9y ago
      Only 2 that you know of. I work for a Fortune 150 company and we settled on Vue almost solely due to the licensing issue.
- _eht 9y ago
  You must have missed a lot of news. A personal example: in my company we were comparing React vs Vue internally and the hint of licensing issues committed us to Vue. This Facebook post gives us hope for GraphQL moving away from BSD+, as it is currently in our stack, but without doubt we are considering a move away due to uncertainty.
  - irrational 9y ago
    The same thing happened at my company (Fortune 150 company). We settled on Vue too, and it has been amazing. But if this had happened back when we were considering things we probably would have gone with React.
    - octalmage 9y ago
      Same here, this conversation is happening right now since we've built a pretty large application using React. I would much prefer to use React so this couldn't be better timing.
- dankohn1 9y ago
  CNCF had begun the process of moving two internal projects (that will be open sourced when they hit beta) from React to Vue.js. We'll now re-evaluate. FWIW, why we prefer Apache 2.0: https://www.cncf.io/blog/2017/02/01/cncf-recommends-aslv2/ https://www.cncf.io/blog/2017/02/01/cncf-recommends-aslv2/
- tresil 9y ago
  >In the wake of uncertainty about our license, we know that many teams went through the process of selecting an alternative library to React. Evidently FB saw enough people leaving to prompt this change. No doubt they were also afraid of an exodus of their internal developers on these projects. High-profile developers will move on to companies where they know they'll have greater impact if that's seen to be at risk.
- hellofunk 9y ago
  Huh? Where have you been for the last month or two?
- deleted 9y ago
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CorySimmons 9y ago
This. FB is intentionally leaving a ton of their ecosystem with the PATENTS virus. Theorizing, but I suspect FB will begin targeting and picking off IP of apps built entirely on React stacks in a few years. Please don't go back to them. Just contribute to Vue's ecosystem like crazy. Worst case scenario it'll keep FB in check.
- peterhunt 9y ago
  When has this ever happened?
ojr 9y ago
there was no exodus, React is the number one javascript framework in the job market in Boston and probably other tech hubs too

>Facebook may very well end up in the majority's good graces with this move. Really? They are doing the minimum possible to prevent an exodus from their stack after a public outcry.

pier25 9y ago

React is pretty popular already. FB only really needs to change the license to keep the growth.

pknopf 9y ago
Exactly. React would have been fine, but to say the big players jumping ship didn't matter is just wrong.

matthewmacleod 9y ago

There was no sign of an exodus. That’s ludicrously hyperbolic.

CydeWeys 9y ago
Not at all. There was an exodus brewing. For starters: https://ma.tt/2017/09/on-react-and-wordpress/ https://ma.tt/2017/09/on-react-and-wordpress/ https://hacks.hyperspacer.com/app/items/15256532 https://hacks.hyperspacer.com/app/items/15256532
- ng12 9y ago
  An HN thread with a dozen responses? Hardly an exodus.
  - davidgerard 9y ago
    A quarter of all websites? An exodus.
    - deleted 9y ago
      [deleted]
    - Rapzid 9y ago
      Those websites weren't leaving, they never arrived..
      - marksomnian 9y ago
        They were close to arriving but they backtracked, all 25% of them. I'd call that an exodus before you even arrive.
        kahnpro 9y ago
        You can't die if you were never alive to begin with
        orf 9y ago
        And yet a project can die before it's born
        TeMPOraL 9y ago
        If that's the definition then let me tell you about my exoduses from almost every country on the planet...
        madeofpalk 9y ago
        ...of sites that posted on HN. Projects that I work(ed) on that use React have no plans to switch away and aren't represented in that 25%.
        marksomnian 9y ago
        That's not what I meant. 25% of sites on the Internet run WordPress. WordPress was rewriting its editor in React, but decided to switch away due to BSD+Patents.
  - deleted 9y ago
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Twirrim 9y ago
That's a strange claim given how many major projects have appeared on the front page of HN because of it, everything from the Apache foundation to Wordpress.
- joshmanders 9y ago
  > everything from the Apache foundation to Wordpress. Those were the only two.
  - pknopf 9y ago
    We get it, React would have been fine with out them. But it did matter. It set a strong precedent.
  - CydeWeys 9y ago
    WordPress accounts for something like 19% of all websites, more so than any other single platform. Do not underestimate the importance of their decision.
    - KGIII 9y ago
      A bit higher, according to those who monitor these sorts of things. Some 28.7% of sites use Wordpress.* Curiously, I've seen the 19% number being cited as 19% of all new websites use Wordpress. I'm not sure how 19% becomes 28.7%, but it may just be that sites using WP stick around longer. * https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/cm-wordpress/all/all https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/cm-wordpress/all/al...
  - geerlingguy 9y ago
    Drupal was also close to picking a new library to replace or supplement Backbone, and React was just dropped out of the running (with a strong favor for Vue) a week or two ago.
  - irrational 9y ago
    Only 2 that you know of. I work for a Fortune 150 company and we settled on Vue almost solely due to the licensing issue.
_eht 9y ago
You must have missed a lot of news. A personal example: in my company we were comparing React vs Vue internally and the hint of licensing issues committed us to Vue. This Facebook post gives us hope for GraphQL moving away from BSD+, as it is currently in our stack, but without doubt we are considering a move away due to uncertainty.
- irrational 9y ago
  The same thing happened at my company (Fortune 150 company). We settled on Vue too, and it has been amazing. But if this had happened back when we were considering things we probably would have gone with React.
  - octalmage 9y ago
    Same here, this conversation is happening right now since we've built a pretty large application using React. I would much prefer to use React so this couldn't be better timing.
dankohn1 9y ago
CNCF had begun the process of moving two internal projects (that will be open sourced when they hit beta) from React to Vue.js. We'll now re-evaluate. FWIW, why we prefer Apache 2.0: https://www.cncf.io/blog/2017/02/01/cncf-recommends-aslv2/ https://www.cncf.io/blog/2017/02/01/cncf-recommends-aslv2/
tresil 9y ago
>In the wake of uncertainty about our license, we know that many teams went through the process of selecting an alternative library to React. Evidently FB saw enough people leaving to prompt this change. No doubt they were also afraid of an exodus of their internal developers on these projects. High-profile developers will move on to companies where they know they'll have greater impact if that's seen to be at risk.
hellofunk 9y ago
Huh? Where have you been for the last month or two?
deleted 9y ago
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CorySimmons 9y ago

This. FB is intentionally leaving a ton of their ecosystem with the PATENTS virus. Theorizing, but I suspect FB will begin targeting and picking off IP of apps built entirely on React stacks in a few years. Please don't go back to them. Just contribute to Vue's ecosystem like crazy. Worst case scenario it'll keep FB in check.

peterhunt 9y ago
When has this ever happened?

ojr 9y ago

there was no exodus, React is the number one javascript framework in the job market in Boston and probably other tech hubs too