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That "moment of clarity" is literally just accepting that you are an alcoholic. Like, that's all it is. Normies love to pontificate about the causes of and sol

That "moment of clarity" is literally just accepting that you are an alcoholic. Like, that's all it is. Normies love to pontificate about the causes of and solutions to addiction, but I never get more than a paragraph in before I find a vacuous statement that highlights how completely the speaker misses the point. It's fucking exhausting.

andrepd 9y ago
Normies?
- ythn 9y ago
  People that didn't mess up their brains with bad choices
- SapphireSun 9y ago
  People that pontificate about subcultures with no direct experience.
wnevets 9y ago
>That "moment of clarity" is literally just accepting that you are an alcoholic. Like, that's all it is. and what is one of the results of that "moment of clarity? They stop drinking.
- jacquesm 9y ago
  You wish. Plenty of them are fully cognizant they are addicts and still can't stop. That's the whole idea of being addicted. It is a dependency at a physical level outside of any of your abilities to reason. Only very strong people make it out and almost always with assistance from the outside.
  - wnevets 9y ago
    Plenty of them is not ALL of them. The fact that any of them do is my point. Not a single person with cancer or aids can just decide to not have their disease.
    - Clubber 9y ago
      >Not a single person with cancer or aids can just decide to not have their disease. Neither can addicts the vast majority of addicts, that's the point.
      - wnevets 9y ago
        Why bring up what the majority of addicts doing? The very fact ANY of them can just decide to stop is my point. Its pretty simple.
        Clubber 9y ago
        They can't decide to stop any more than you can decide to stop breathing or eating. They can certainly say they will stop and they can certainly try, but actually stopping on a permanent bases seems elusive. I would say most addicts don't want to be addicts at some point, yet they are still addicts. I'm addicted to nicotine since I was 12 and I don't want to be, yet I am. I've quit a few times for a few months, but always get triggered back into starting up again.
- Clubber 9y ago
  That's pretty naive. “Peer reviewed studies peg the success rate of AA somewhere between five and 10 percent,” writes Dodes. “About one of every 15 people who enter these programs is able to become and stay sober.” https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/03/the-surprising-failures-of-12-steps/284616/ https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/03/the-surpr... Now do you see how it's like a disease? Users literally realize they need to stop or they will die, but they do not.

andrepd 9y ago

Normies?

ythn 9y ago
People that didn't mess up their brains with bad choices
SapphireSun 9y ago
People that pontificate about subcultures with no direct experience.

wnevets 9y ago

>That "moment of clarity" is literally just accepting that you are an alcoholic. Like, that's all it is. and what is one of the results of that "moment of clarity? They stop drinking.

jacquesm 9y ago
You wish. Plenty of them are fully cognizant they are addicts and still can't stop. That's the whole idea of being addicted. It is a dependency at a physical level outside of any of your abilities to reason. Only very strong people make it out and almost always with assistance from the outside.
- wnevets 9y ago
  Plenty of them is not ALL of them. The fact that any of them do is my point. Not a single person with cancer or aids can just decide to not have their disease.
  - Clubber 9y ago
    >Not a single person with cancer or aids can just decide to not have their disease. Neither can addicts the vast majority of addicts, that's the point.
    - wnevets 9y ago
      Why bring up what the majority of addicts doing? The very fact ANY of them can just decide to stop is my point. Its pretty simple.
      - Clubber 9y ago
        They can't decide to stop any more than you can decide to stop breathing or eating. They can certainly say they will stop and they can certainly try, but actually stopping on a permanent bases seems elusive. I would say most addicts don't want to be addicts at some point, yet they are still addicts. I'm addicted to nicotine since I was 12 and I don't want to be, yet I am. I've quit a few times for a few months, but always get triggered back into starting up again.
Clubber 9y ago
That's pretty naive. “Peer reviewed studies peg the success rate of AA somewhere between five and 10 percent,” writes Dodes. “About one of every 15 people who enter these programs is able to become and stay sober.” https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/03/the-surprising-failures-of-12-steps/284616/ https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/03/the-surpr... Now do you see how it's like a disease? Users literally realize they need to stop or they will die, but they do not.