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16:9? Not classic. Nvidia graphics? Not good for Linux users. Pass.

by sevagh 9y ago

jimmies 9y ago
The NVidia graphics one might just be an option.
Buttons840 9y ago
It says it's based on the T470. I thought T470s worked well with Linux?
- sevagh 9y ago
  Yeah it does, I have Linux on a T460 and T470. It's just with Nvidia graphics, there's the whole Optimus/Bumblebee mess to deal with (unless that's improved recently?) Intel graphics are way more Linux-friendly OOTB.
  - whatsinaname22 9y ago
    It's not perfect, but I switched my main distro a few months ago and the proprietary Nvidia drivers are still a little bit of a pain to install, but totally doable, and work great. The non proprietary nouveau drivers still have trouble interfacing with my card, but looked better than on my last install about a year ago, so baby steps.
mikejmoffitt 9y ago
Nvidia graphics with the actual binary drivers are great for Linux users. What are you talking about? Plus, this is a modern Intel-based laptop, so I'd strongly bet that it's implemented with Optimus and therefore has Intel graphics driving the display and ports, just like on the T460p.
- yellowapple 9y ago
  "Nvidia graphics with the actual binary drivers are great for Linux users." The binary drivers are pretty invasive (they replace quite a few libraries and such, if I'm remembering right from when I originally setup my current gaming rig), and they were really slow to support KMS and Wayland (but apparently that's changed within the last year or so). Nvidia is also typically a showstopper for non-Linux free operating systems (like, say, OpenBSD) which tend to not have any possibility for Nvidia-provided binary drivers. Considering that the safe bet for OpenBSD is basically "buy a ThinkPad", a "retro" ThinkPad with Nvidia graphics is kind of a downer. Meanwhile, my ordinary T470 with Intel graphics works reasonably well (suspend/resume aside, but I can live without that) on OpenBSD's -CURRENT branch, so if this "retro" ThinkPad is just a T470 with Nvidia graphics and a non-chiclet keyboard, then it ain't like there's much reason for me to really want it.
- bubblethink 9y ago
  >Nvidia graphics with the actual binary drivers are great for Linux users. What are you talking about? Not by a long shot, particularly on laptops. Avoid optimus and nvidia like the plague. Battery drain, screen tearing, and other fun problems abound.

16:9? Not classic. Nvidia graphics? Not good for Linux users. Pass.

by sevagh 9y ago

16:9? Not classic. Nvidia graphics? Not good for Linux users. Pass.

jimmies 9y ago

The NVidia graphics one might just be an option.

Buttons840 9y ago

It says it's based on the T470. I thought T470s worked well with Linux?

sevagh 9y ago
Yeah it does, I have Linux on a T460 and T470. It's just with Nvidia graphics, there's the whole Optimus/Bumblebee mess to deal with (unless that's improved recently?) Intel graphics are way more Linux-friendly OOTB.
- whatsinaname22 9y ago
  It's not perfect, but I switched my main distro a few months ago and the proprietary Nvidia drivers are still a little bit of a pain to install, but totally doable, and work great. The non proprietary nouveau drivers still have trouble interfacing with my card, but looked better than on my last install about a year ago, so baby steps.

mikejmoffitt 9y ago

Nvidia graphics with the actual binary drivers are great for Linux users. What are you talking about? Plus, this is a modern Intel-based laptop, so I'd strongly bet that it's implemented with Optimus and therefore has Intel graphics driving the display and ports, just like on the T460p.

yellowapple 9y ago
"Nvidia graphics with the actual binary drivers are great for Linux users." The binary drivers are pretty invasive (they replace quite a few libraries and such, if I'm remembering right from when I originally setup my current gaming rig), and they were really slow to support KMS and Wayland (but apparently that's changed within the last year or so). Nvidia is also typically a showstopper for non-Linux free operating systems (like, say, OpenBSD) which tend to not have any possibility for Nvidia-provided binary drivers. Considering that the safe bet for OpenBSD is basically "buy a ThinkPad", a "retro" ThinkPad with Nvidia graphics is kind of a downer. Meanwhile, my ordinary T470 with Intel graphics works reasonably well (suspend/resume aside, but I can live without that) on OpenBSD's -CURRENT branch, so if this "retro" ThinkPad is just a T470 with Nvidia graphics and a non-chiclet keyboard, then it ain't like there's much reason for me to really want it.
bubblethink 9y ago
>Nvidia graphics with the actual binary drivers are great for Linux users. What are you talking about? Not by a long shot, particularly on laptops. Avoid optimus and nvidia like the plague. Battery drain, screen tearing, and other fun problems abound.