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I should no longer have any expectation of privacy The above poster suggests even worse. "until you are actually in the United States, you have no reasonable

I should no longer have any expectation of privacy The above poster suggests even worse. "until you are actually in the United States, you have no reasonable expectation of the Bill of Rights.". They suggest you have no constitutional rights outside of the US border. Forget your cell phone, this would imply that black bag operations are completely legal as long as the US citizen is outside of US borders at the time.

b3lvedere 9y ago
About time there is a system where you can make a super cool backup of your entire smartphone and laptop on a remote system, then completely wipe these devices and restore it when you are safe from the border officers. icloud total backup or something :) "Sure officer, i'll unlock my phone and my laptop. There's absolutely nothing on it."
- yahna 9y ago
  What do you have to hide?
  - b3lvedere 9y ago
    Everything i want
- nebabyte 9y ago
  Wrong. Legal precedents rule all. This should be fought, not tacitly approved of via circumvention.
794CD01 9y ago
No, it implies that they are not illegal, and I would agree. That doesn't necessarily mean they are legal - they are alegal since US law does not apply outside its borders. Just like there doesn't need to be a US law making it legal for you to hire a prostitute in the Netherlands or gamble in an Indian reservation. Admittedly, that argument is not very convincing for the US in particular so pretend we are talking about some other country that is not the self-appointed world police.
- maskedSlacker 9y ago
  Even the US government doesn't claim that US law does not apply outside the border; that is simply false. Case in point: having sex with a child outside the US is still a crime you can be prosecuted for under US law when you return.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > US law does not apply outside its borders. Except for laws which expressly include territorial limits (the phrase, “within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States” occurs as a limitation in several US criminal laws, for example) US laws absolutely do apply outisde of US borders.

b3lvedere 9y ago

About time there is a system where you can make a super cool backup of your entire smartphone and laptop on a remote system, then completely wipe these devices and restore it when you are safe from the border officers. icloud total backup or something :) "Sure officer, i'll unlock my phone and my laptop. There's absolutely nothing on it."

yahna 9y ago
What do you have to hide?
- b3lvedere 9y ago
  Everything i want
nebabyte 9y ago
Wrong. Legal precedents rule all. This should be fought, not tacitly approved of via circumvention.

794CD01 9y ago

No, it implies that they are not illegal, and I would agree. That doesn't necessarily mean they are legal - they are alegal since US law does not apply outside its borders. Just like there doesn't need to be a US law making it legal for you to hire a prostitute in the Netherlands or gamble in an Indian reservation. Admittedly, that argument is not very convincing for the US in particular so pretend we are talking about some other country that is not the self-appointed world police.

maskedSlacker 9y ago
Even the US government doesn't claim that US law does not apply outside the border; that is simply false. Case in point: having sex with a child outside the US is still a crime you can be prosecuted for under US law when you return.
dragonwriter 9y ago
> US law does not apply outside its borders. Except for laws which expressly include territorial limits (the phrase, “within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States” occurs as a limitation in several US criminal laws, for example) US laws absolutely do apply outisde of US borders.