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What is "normal" is subjective and varies by person and society. Would you agree with that? Some people don't think it's normal to want to photograph children

What is "normal" is subjective and varies by person and society. Would you agree with that? Some people don't think it's normal to want to photograph children naked. Others do. Some may not think it's abnormal, but on the other hand think it is not wise. Clearly, you think it's okay to do. Or you just think it is not unwise, or should not be banned. Those are each distinct nuanced states of mind on the matter. That's fine. I don't see where all this "being terrified" angle is coming from actually. I guess I have a different understanding of the word terror and terrifying. Having an awareness of the state of one's society is a useful thing. To be aware of possibilities, and make choices accordingly I'd argue is a smart thing. It's not being fucked up, it's being wise and pragmatic. As was shown in the OA, in theory everybody is innocent until proven guilty. But in practice, especially regarding this particular issue, it's effectively the opposite. Clearly we want to change that. But the world is not like that at the moment. Should we try to make it better? Yes. Can we make it better? Possibly not. Should we do the wisest thing in the meantime? You'll probably have a happier life if you do, but it is up to you whether the tradeoff is worth it. From my perspective, there's almost no upside and therefore no tradeoff to consider. YMMV. But do not be "terrified" of my position. Be terrified of a giant flying shark in the night or something. But not something like this. :P

caf 16y ago
I'll try and explain. "As was shown in the OA, in theory everybody is innocent until proven guilty. But in practice, especially regarding this particular issue, it's effectively the opposite." This state of affairs is merely scary. It is your blasé acceptance of this state of affairs that is terrifying.
- Groxx 16y ago
  But in practice, especially regarding this particular issue, it's effectively the opposite. Because it's For The Children™. And, For The Children™, our legal system is turned upside down, causing huge amounts of damage, including damage to The Children.
nagrom 16y ago
It's terrifying because your position is that one shouldn't do something that is entirely harmless and innocent, for fear that you will be branded for life as something evil. It's even more terrifying because your position appears to be tacit acceptance of that situation. Some things should not have to be worked around. Some things are wrong, and should be decried. A situation where parents are scared to photograph and document the growth of their families is exactly wrong, and should exactly be decried.
- sliverstorm 16y ago
  You can crack jokes in the airport about bombing planes, and carry bundles of wire in your luggage, and fight the system. Jokes are harmless and innocent, and you should be allowed to make them. Stand up against the injustice. Or, you could simply not do those things and get on your flight and on with your life.
  - Retric 16y ago
    I believe it's important to pick at least one fight with the establishment on principle in your life. The largest check on government power is when responsible citizens stand up for what's right. The government can bring a lot of leverage vs. a single person, but spread the issue around and things break down. A great example would be traffic tickets from a traffic camera; with a little effort you can cost the government more to prosecute the case than they collect from it. PS: I would hate to be the (edit: completely innocent) person that tries to stand up to CPS, but create a blog, document everything. Hell, insist on a warrant, it's a constitutionally protected right etc.
  - Robin_Message 16y ago
    I see your point, but pretending to bomb planes has no upside or possible reason behind it. It is not comparable to taking pictures of your kids having fun.
  - infinite8s 16y ago
    Not quite the same thing. Taking photos of your children running around having fun in that state of clothing is probably a fun, proud moment for a parent, documenting their joy in their family.

caf 16y ago

I'll try and explain. "As was shown in the OA, in theory everybody is innocent until proven guilty. But in practice, especially regarding this particular issue, it's effectively the opposite." This state of affairs is merely scary. It is your blasé acceptance of this state of affairs that is terrifying.

Groxx 16y ago
But in practice, especially regarding this particular issue, it's effectively the opposite. Because it's For The Children™. And, For The Children™, our legal system is turned upside down, causing huge amounts of damage, including damage to The Children.

nagrom 16y ago

It's terrifying because your position is that one shouldn't do something that is entirely harmless and innocent, for fear that you will be branded for life as something evil. It's even more terrifying because your position appears to be tacit acceptance of that situation. Some things should not have to be worked around. Some things are wrong, and should be decried. A situation where parents are scared to photograph and document the growth of their families is exactly wrong, and should exactly be decried.

sliverstorm 16y ago
You can crack jokes in the airport about bombing planes, and carry bundles of wire in your luggage, and fight the system. Jokes are harmless and innocent, and you should be allowed to make them. Stand up against the injustice. Or, you could simply not do those things and get on your flight and on with your life.
- Retric 16y ago
  I believe it's important to pick at least one fight with the establishment on principle in your life. The largest check on government power is when responsible citizens stand up for what's right. The government can bring a lot of leverage vs. a single person, but spread the issue around and things break down. A great example would be traffic tickets from a traffic camera; with a little effort you can cost the government more to prosecute the case than they collect from it. PS: I would hate to be the (edit: completely innocent) person that tries to stand up to CPS, but create a blog, document everything. Hell, insist on a warrant, it's a constitutionally protected right etc.
- Robin_Message 16y ago
  I see your point, but pretending to bomb planes has no upside or possible reason behind it. It is not comparable to taking pictures of your kids having fun.
- infinite8s 16y ago
  Not quite the same thing. Taking photos of your children running around having fun in that state of clothing is probably a fun, proud moment for a parent, documenting their joy in their family.