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The .cat domain was seized because the organization in charge of the domain IGNORED the orders issued by a JUDGE. So saying: > "If such content is unlawful, a c

The .cat domain was seized because the organization in charge of the domain IGNORED the orders issued by a JUDGE. So saying: > "If such content is unlawful, a court order directed to the publisher or host of that content is the appropriate way for authorities to deal with that illegality, rather than the blanket removal of entire domains from the Internet." Is simply put, bulshit. A court ordered taking down illegal calls to a referendum not approved by a democratic consitution. If that was ignored, someone had to take action.

snakeanus 9y ago
DNS servers do not have "illegal calls" (read: thoughtcrimes) for the independence of any country. These are served by the server that the DNS points to and only on the request of the client.
antaviana 9y ago
"Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal" - Martin Luther King, Jr.
- euyyn 9y ago
  Hyperbole much?
  - flyingfences 9y ago
    Not really. We're talking about a government using its violent abilities to censor dissent.
    - euyyn 9y ago
      You're misinformed. What's being prevented is politicians paying this with public money. Basque and Catalan independence can be talked about freely, and has been talked about non-stop for many years, including in Congress.
Oletros 9y ago
> The .cat domain was seized because the organization in charge of the domain IGNORED the orders issued by a JUDGE. What orders ignored? Do you have any link to newspapers? And, by the way, PuntCAT is a TLD register, they don't host any site. Do you know other case where the TLD registar has been seized? Domains are blocked via ISP's, the publisher or the hosting.
- sigotirandolas 9y ago
  As far as I know, no newspaper has published anything that indicates that the puntCAT foundation ignored a clear order by a judge to censor a domain (though it is possible that they did). It's also possible that this is part of the open blanket investigation of anything the Catalan government does about the referendum.
- snvzz 9y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15322537 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15322537
grimborg 9y ago
Self determination is a human right. It is not unlawful, and a referendum about it isn’t either. If a certain law doesn’t allow for it, the law is wrong. Of course, Spain is also calling thoroughly pacific demonstrations “tumultuous” so that they can accuse politicians of sedition, so Spain clearly doesn’t care about truth and law.
- darthdev 9y ago
  Secession is in fact illegal in most of the world countries (if not all). Auto-determination is a right recognized in the UN for regions under colonial rule. Catalonia is not a region under colonial rule, and in fact the UN does not recognize the right of auto-determination of Catalonia (Source in Spanish from a newspaper from Catalonia: http://www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20151030/54438498099/ban-ki-moon-catalunya-derecho-autodeterminacion.html http://www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20151030/54438498099/ba...). Is the law is wrong? Maybe, in fact I might agree with the right to vote secession, but (IMHO) this needs to be done with great care, if not, any region of any state can call a vote for independence each time they disagree with the neighbors. In fact this kind of "blackmail" has been used consistently in Catalonia for years: "If you don't vote this bill, we will secede from Spain". So, I don't think that the law that prohibit referendums for secession is completely nonsense. Exceptions of course can be made, but, is the case of Catalonia an exception? Before answer that, please, think if you have all the data to make that statement.
  - Oletros 9y ago
    > In fact this kind of "blackmail" has been used consistently in Catalonia for years: "If you don't vote this bill, we will secede from Spain". That blackmail has not used never. If you think so, provide just one example.
    - darthdev 9y ago
      If I remember correctly, this started because the opposition party at the moment (PP) appeal at the constitutional court the "estatut". If you ask me, I think that was a political (dirty) movement to gain some votes. But the point here is that since some Catalans didn't like the court resolution, they started this "blackmail": "either you accept the estatut or we will secede". We are now at the threat of secession. Note that the quoted texts are not literal phrases said by anyone, it is just to clarify my point. You asked one example, here is one. There are many other examples of laws passed in the Spanish congress with the support of Catalan parties in exchange of political favors.

snakeanus 9y ago

DNS servers do not have "illegal calls" (read: thoughtcrimes) for the independence of any country. These are served by the server that the DNS points to and only on the request of the client.

antaviana 9y ago

"Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal" - Martin Luther King, Jr.

euyyn 9y ago
Hyperbole much?
- flyingfences 9y ago
  Not really. We're talking about a government using its violent abilities to censor dissent.
  - euyyn 9y ago
    You're misinformed. What's being prevented is politicians paying this with public money. Basque and Catalan independence can be talked about freely, and has been talked about non-stop for many years, including in Congress.

Oletros 9y ago

> The .cat domain was seized because the organization in charge of the domain IGNORED the orders issued by a JUDGE. What orders ignored? Do you have any link to newspapers? And, by the way, PuntCAT is a TLD register, they don't host any site. Do you know other case where the TLD registar has been seized? Domains are blocked via ISP's, the publisher or the hosting.

sigotirandolas 9y ago
As far as I know, no newspaper has published anything that indicates that the puntCAT foundation ignored a clear order by a judge to censor a domain (though it is possible that they did). It's also possible that this is part of the open blanket investigation of anything the Catalan government does about the referendum.
snvzz 9y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15322537 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15322537

grimborg 9y ago

Self determination is a human right. It is not unlawful, and a referendum about it isn’t either. If a certain law doesn’t allow for it, the law is wrong. Of course, Spain is also calling thoroughly pacific demonstrations “tumultuous” so that they can accuse politicians of sedition, so Spain clearly doesn’t care about truth and law.

darthdev 9y ago
Secession is in fact illegal in most of the world countries (if not all). Auto-determination is a right recognized in the UN for regions under colonial rule. Catalonia is not a region under colonial rule, and in fact the UN does not recognize the right of auto-determination of Catalonia (Source in Spanish from a newspaper from Catalonia: http://www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20151030/54438498099/ban-ki-moon-catalunya-derecho-autodeterminacion.html http://www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20151030/54438498099/ba...). Is the law is wrong? Maybe, in fact I might agree with the right to vote secession, but (IMHO) this needs to be done with great care, if not, any region of any state can call a vote for independence each time they disagree with the neighbors. In fact this kind of "blackmail" has been used consistently in Catalonia for years: "If you don't vote this bill, we will secede from Spain". So, I don't think that the law that prohibit referendums for secession is completely nonsense. Exceptions of course can be made, but, is the case of Catalonia an exception? Before answer that, please, think if you have all the data to make that statement.
- Oletros 9y ago
  > In fact this kind of "blackmail" has been used consistently in Catalonia for years: "If you don't vote this bill, we will secede from Spain". That blackmail has not used never. If you think so, provide just one example.
  - darthdev 9y ago
    If I remember correctly, this started because the opposition party at the moment (PP) appeal at the constitutional court the "estatut". If you ask me, I think that was a political (dirty) movement to gain some votes. But the point here is that since some Catalans didn't like the court resolution, they started this "blackmail": "either you accept the estatut or we will secede". We are now at the threat of secession. Note that the quoted texts are not literal phrases said by anyone, it is just to clarify my point. You asked one example, here is one. There are many other examples of laws passed in the Spanish congress with the support of Catalan parties in exchange of political favors.