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Not about the referendum, but about what happened last days: https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/09/20/inenglish/1505917320_788824.html https://elpais.com/elpais/20

Not about the referendum, but about what happened last days: https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/09/20/inenglish/1505917320_788824.html https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/09/20/inenglish/1505917320_78...

pera 9y ago
That seems to be in reference to the referendum website operated by the local government (http://www.referendum.cat/ http://www.referendum.cat/), but I read several reports of private citizens with no affiliation with Catalonia's govt being raided by the police just for mirroring websites.
- faragon 9y ago
  It is mirrored, without problem: https://onvotar.garantiespelreferendum.com/on-votar/index.html https://onvotar.garantiespelreferendum.com/on-votar/index.ht... I don't know if the EFF is aware that the site has citizen personal information without permission. Who protects us as citizens against rebel regional government putting online private information against the rule of law?
  - pera 9y ago
    The mirrors I checked didn't include that section (@1506104335). Instead they said: > Shortly the Government will release the details on the polling stations to be used for the 1st October Referendum.
    - Oletros 9y ago
      The mirror includes all the data and it gives you the place to vote after entering your NIF and age. Time to denunce to AEPD
faragon 9y ago
That article is excellent. It explains pretty well the lies of the rebel regional government.
- enriquto 9y ago
  the article is severely biased To be fair, it is very difficult to find unbiased and knowledgeable people writing about this. It is best to not rely on only one kind of source if you want to form an opinion.
  - tirant 9y ago
    I do not think the article is so biased. Puigdemont has totally ignored the law and used his position in power to organize a referendum without any kind of warranties with the only intention to provoke a police intervention from Madrid's government and thus increase the support to his cause. If the real intention was to organize a referendum, it could have been done with preparation, lawfully and negotiated with other regional political forces who are also supporting it.
    - Oletros 9y ago
      Agreeing with you first part, I don't agree with your second paragraph. It has been tried for years, not only in Catalonia, but also in Euskadi. The Spanish law was changed en 2006 to make those referendums ilegal
cosarara97 9y ago
A newspaper that's biased against independence doesn't sound like a very good source. Unless you are fine with the clear bias, of course.
- tirant 9y ago
  ElPais, as most of newspapers in Spain have a position regarding the celebration of the referendum, and they have been very biased before with other information, but in this case the content is spot-on. That said, the law is just a tool used by the people to live peacefully in a society. If people are not happy about it, the law needs to be changed.

Not about the referendum, but about what happened last days: https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/09/20/inenglish/1505917320_788824.html https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/09/20/inenglish/1505917320_78...

pera 9y ago

That seems to be in reference to the referendum website operated by the local government (http://www.referendum.cat/ http://www.referendum.cat/), but I read several reports of private citizens with no affiliation with Catalonia's govt being raided by the police just for mirroring websites.

faragon 9y ago
It is mirrored, without problem: https://onvotar.garantiespelreferendum.com/on-votar/index.html https://onvotar.garantiespelreferendum.com/on-votar/index.ht... I don't know if the EFF is aware that the site has citizen personal information without permission. Who protects us as citizens against rebel regional government putting online private information against the rule of law?
- pera 9y ago
  The mirrors I checked didn't include that section (@1506104335). Instead they said: > Shortly the Government will release the details on the polling stations to be used for the 1st October Referendum.
  - Oletros 9y ago
    The mirror includes all the data and it gives you the place to vote after entering your NIF and age. Time to denunce to AEPD

faragon 9y ago

That article is excellent. It explains pretty well the lies of the rebel regional government.

enriquto 9y ago
the article is severely biased To be fair, it is very difficult to find unbiased and knowledgeable people writing about this. It is best to not rely on only one kind of source if you want to form an opinion.
- tirant 9y ago
  I do not think the article is so biased. Puigdemont has totally ignored the law and used his position in power to organize a referendum without any kind of warranties with the only intention to provoke a police intervention from Madrid's government and thus increase the support to his cause. If the real intention was to organize a referendum, it could have been done with preparation, lawfully and negotiated with other regional political forces who are also supporting it.
  - Oletros 9y ago
    Agreeing with you first part, I don't agree with your second paragraph. It has been tried for years, not only in Catalonia, but also in Euskadi. The Spanish law was changed en 2006 to make those referendums ilegal

cosarara97 9y ago

A newspaper that's biased against independence doesn't sound like a very good source. Unless you are fine with the clear bias, of course.

tirant 9y ago
ElPais, as most of newspapers in Spain have a position regarding the celebration of the referendum, and they have been very biased before with other information, but in this case the content is spot-on. That said, the law is just a tool used by the people to live peacefully in a society. If people are not happy about it, the law needs to be changed.