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As an HPE employee, we've been hearing of major layoffs for the last few months, and they're supposedly going to start in November...
by fetus8 9y ago
As an HPE employee, we've been hearing of major layoffs for the last few months, and they're supposedly going to start in November...
- lost_name 9y agoNot that this is really any help, but an acquaintance of mine works for HPE and notified he was being laid off yesterday, and his last day is today. He was with HP (now HPE) for maybe 4-6 years.
- adrianN 9y agoHow is that legal?
- enraged_camel 9y agoHow is what legal?
- EliRivers 9y agoOne day's notice of redundancy. In many countries, in the circumstances at hand, it's not legal.
- nulagrithom 9y agoHow is it legal to tell someone they won't be working at their job anymore, with one day notice and presumably unemployment benefits considering it's part of a reduction in force? I would certainly hope that remains legal.
- pavlov 9y agoThat's the American expectation, but most European employment legislation disagrees -- that's probably the root of the question.
- fred_is_fred 9y agoHPE will give severance. You don't start unemployment the next day.
- yeukhon 9y agoYou are unemployed. You just have some money around for a few months (usually 3 months) to look for a new job. It's tough out there to get a new job, even senior engineers have hard time getting through interviews.
- troyk 9y agoOur market (Sacramento, CA) is so hungry for senior engineers (for web or mobile), I'd wager max 2 weeks to be back in the saddle. But I doubt HPE has much talent for web-stacks, likely Microsoft/.Net and SAP experience which I can agree with your statement. We just interviewed a PM from HPE and to our surprise, he makes ~$180k a year. We hired an awesome candidate for $80k.
- fred_is_fred 9y agoDon't discount the experience based on the company name. HPE is still a big broad place that spans from HPUX to web apps to SaaS to consulting.
- jcadam 9y ago$80k is not senior. And no, finding a job in 2 weeks is not realistically obtainable for a senior engineer. Try 6 months to a year. This whole 'developer shortage' BS I keep hearing needs to stop. And besides, most employers' hiring timelines (from first contact to first day on the job) are longer than 2 weeks.
- troyk 9y ago$80k is what we paid for a PM, not a senior engineers. We pay our seniors $120-$250 depending on how their domain experience maps to ours, and if you want to live and work in the Sacramento Area I can have you interviewed, vetted and on-boarded in less than a week. Being in Sacramento, we have lost talent to the Bay Area for top candidates coming into the state that want to work for a more known entity and a have a larger network work within. No BS or bad vibes; Just real peeps writing code and having fun doing it and always looking to add great people to the team because the demand is high and experienced talent is in short supply.
- dsr_ 9y agoWhy wouldn't it be legal? Virtually every US state has zero notice requirements -- tell your employee that they are being fired, laid off or otherwise no longer going to work here, pay them what you owe them immediately, and you're done. "Two weeks notice" is a social nicety, good for maintaining good relationships and status. If you don't care about those things, you can quit or fire on the spot.
- adrianN 9y agoWow, here in Germany you need to give 4 weeks notice at the minimum. Two months if the employment lasted for at least five years.
- KekDemaga 9y agoWhat requirements do employees have should they wish to quit?
- chokma 9y agoThe time frame is symmetrical - both employers and employees have to give 4 weeks notice (default). In my case, the US parent company decided on 12 weeks, probably to retain the software developers. Note that depending on unions (rare in IT) and mandatory employee representation (Betriebsrat) for big companies, firing people can be harder, especially for long-term employees.
- KekDemaga 9y agoIs the 4 weeks on the employee side a social custom that can be ignored (it is considered rude to do so here but not illegal) or is it actually a law or contractual obligation? Can you quit on the spot if say you feel the work load is unreasonable?
- user5994461 9y agoCan't speak for Germany, but that's usually both a law and contractual obligation on that side of the Atlantic.
- fred_is_fred 9y agoHe will get severance. Probably a week or two weeks per year of service.
- fetus8 9y agoIt is helpful to know that people are being notified already. By chance do you know what division he worked within?
- lost_name 9y agoI don't, sorry. I'm seem to recall that he worked with a state government.
- yeukhon 9y agoThe painful thing is being asked to stick around for a few more weeks or sometimes a couple months for a transition. That sucks, because you join daily standup, have tickets in your queue, but you have to pretend you care... Go to meetings where people just want to suck out everything from you, including your soul, so they can replace you. That's a nightmare, but many don't have a choice because they need to pay bills.
- notyourday 9y agoSerious question: why would you not laugh and say "Yeah, no"?
- CommieBobDole 9y agoBecause the company is usually offering some sort of severance, which will be withheld if you say "Yeah, no". They're not saying, "you're laid off, effective today, but you have to stay for another two months", they're saying "you're laid off in two months, and your job duties are now to train your replacement". Saying "no" means resigning.
- s73ver_ 9y agoI'm not sure, but wouldn't saying no also mean forfeiting any unemployment you might otherwise be entitled to?
- CommieBobDole 9y agoMost likely, yes - depends on the state, of course, but generally you don't collect unemployment for a voluntary resignation.
- notyourday 9y agoOk, so if that's the case I'm seriously having a problem understanding this dilemma: if ($money_to_be_received > $aggravation ) { remain_here(); happy_whistles(); } else { say_bye_bye_suzi(); }